The Wladimir Klitschko that destroyed ray mercer vs daniel dubois of today

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Wlad being 41 y/o vs AJ was conveniently ignored by many or at least downplayed at the time and for a number of years and they only started to run with that narrative after Usyk beat AJ, obviously in order to try and discredit Usyk
     
    Serge, May 14, 2025 at 7:46 AM
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So which is it ? Was Wlad well past his prime against aj or not ?
     
    MarkusFlorez99, May 14, 2025 at 7:49 AM
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Obviously he was well past his prime at 41 y/o but even that version was still very formidable and very dangerous and that right hand he dropped AJ with would've sparked Lummox out cold
     
    Serge, May 14, 2025 at 7:53 AM
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  4. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah that right hand definitely KOs Lummox i have no doubt about that, Lennox would drill Wlad into the canvas tho
     
    MarkusFlorez99, May 14, 2025 at 7:57 AM
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  5. Serge

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    I think Lummox vs Wlad could go either way. I know many will disagree but many of them are the same people who told us AJ and Belly KO Usyk.

    Wlad at the very least can match Lummox for size, skill, speed, power, jab, athleticism, technical ability, and I think he >> in a number of those departments and whilst he has hit the canvas more he's never been knocked out, let alone one punch KO'd or one punch knocked absolutely senseless like Lummox.

    Wlad has everything it takes to one punch spark Lummox out cold and Lummox having more ''dawg'' in him probably wouldn't even come into it because if Wlad lands flush he wouldn't even get a chance to demonstrate that.

    Lummox can knock Wlad out too of course but it's comical when people write off Wlad's chances and they certainly don't get taken seriously by me. He's literally one of the most devastating punchers in HW history whilst being technically excellent, very athletic, fast, and possessing dynamite in both hands and Lummox's chin would be just as susceptible to getting cracked by Wlad's power as Wlad's would by his
     
    Serge, May 14, 2025 at 8:14 AM
    Serge, May 14, 2025 at 8:14 AM
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  6. Philosopher

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    I'm sorry, but what? Dubois ate Joyce punches, ate Hrgovic punches and ate an AJ bomb. In his early career he showed a strong chin against Lartey and Gorman. Sure he's been stopped but it isn't chin that's the issue if there is even is an issue
     
    Philosopher, May 14, 2025 at 9:03 AM
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  7. OddR

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    True Dubois could also be hurt and was stopped twice by a jab and was knocked down like 4 times in a fight earlier on in his career which he won . Sure he took some punishment and big shots beforehand but by the same token Wlad punched himself out pretty badly against both Puritty and Brewster when he got stopped.
     
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    OddR, May 14, 2025 at 9:07 AM
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  8. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    None of these guys hits as hard as Wlad.
     
    MaccaveliMacc, May 14, 2025 at 9:13 AM
    MaccaveliMacc, May 14, 2025 at 9:13 AM
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  9. Philosopher

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    I did not suggest they did. I already said Wlad likely knocks Dan out. I just don't buy the narrative that Dubois has a poor chin when his fights suggest anything but...
     
    Philosopher, May 14, 2025 at 11:25 AM
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  10. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Wlad's biggest issue in that fight wasn't his age it was his inactivity. Wasn't it like 17 months? I don't think Wlad landed a single left hook in that fight and he missed some badly by several feet he was so rusty. Either way its his fault for not pressing Joshua after the knockdown he had the fight for the taking at that point.
     
    Rico Spadafora, May 14, 2025 at 12:09 PM
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  11. CooperKupp

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    I mean Vitali’s right hand was maybe 50% of what Wlad’s was in terms of quickness and power. And we all saw what Vitali’s right hand was doing to lennox. :lol::lol: Had his ass out on his feet in that 2nd round and had him hurt again I believe in the 5th.

    Had that been Wlad in there… lewis is taking a longer nap than he did against rahman.
     
    CooperKupp, May 14, 2025 at 1:17 PM
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  12. AdamT

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    If wlad had of been there, he would have died with lewis landing the uppercut

    Laugh at lewis all you want, but he never got beat up by a bum like purritty and didn't run to his brother to avenge his losses. He dusted himself off and smashed the guys who beat him

    Lewis beat every professional he ever faced, including one of the brothers. He also was undisputed like usyk, wlad never was.

    Can wlad or vitali say the same? Lol
     
    AdamT, May 14, 2025 at 2:19 PM
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  13. OddR

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    Those are arguments in favor of Lewis but it feels like you are out to get Wlad these past few weeks :p
     
    OddR, May 14, 2025 at 2:24 PM
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  14. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nah not really
    I just think he's being made better than he is

    Younger guys will overrate him, but on my life, I don't put him on the same level as lewis in his prime. I feel extremely strong about it. I know if someone put a lie detector on me, I would pass with flying colours. Of course it's just an.opinion, but I'm EXTREMLEY confident lewis was better than both brothers.

    I'd pick lewis over Usyk, but not with the same confidence.

    I watched both careers and lewis was better on their best night and not as bad on their worst. He did beat everyone he ever faced like usyk
     
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    AdamT, May 14, 2025 at 2:41 PM
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