This could put Povetkin in the clear

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  1. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    The claim and it's only a claim that Povetkin only had 0.07 micrograms came from his promoter not VADA. So unless we see documentation confirming this claim or confirmation from VADA for the actual level of Meldonium we don't know how much was picked up in the urine test. But as VADA clearly states it was a failed test we can assume the amount he actually tested positively for was above the 1 microgram limit.
     
  2. camden1nj

    camden1nj Active Member Full Member

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    I doubt the WBC would have cancelled the fight if Wilder wanted it to go on
     
  3. camden1nj

    camden1nj Active Member Full Member

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    He isn't Mickey Bey
     
  4. Purple Panther

    Purple Panther Active Member Full Member

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    It's very unlikely that Rybinski would put that number out in public multiple times and then highlight it on his Twitter as his official statement with that kind of incorrect information.

    It isn't sensible and would be extremely counterproductive to their cause of declaring him to be innocent.
     
  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Maybe but's what's more unlikely a promoter twisting facts to suit his and his fighters needs or VADA making a mistake a claiming Povetkin failed a test when he was below the minimum for a positive result.
     
  6. Purple Panther

    Purple Panther Active Member Full Member

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    What's more likely is that he took the number that was contained within the letter sent to him by VADA and reported it.
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    So are you saying VADA made a mistake and that it should have been a negative result? How often do VADA make mistakes like this and on such a high profile fight? I find it a pretty big assumption that VADA botched the test results and made a false positive.

    Also the whole debacle surrounding Meldonium and how it long it lingers in the body may confuse issues but Povetkin tested clean for Meldonium earlier in the month which suggests he took Meldonium after the ban. Also while the threshold for testing positive for Meldonium was 1 microgram this was only for results before the 1st of March, results after this date could be lower than 1 microgram and be regarded as a positive result, so even if what Rabinsky has reported is true it's still a failed test.

    In reality the whole thing will likely take months to resolve. Sharapova's case who was one of the first to be caught for Meldonium won't be resolved in time for Wimbledon and so Povetkin will need to wait until there is a greater understanding of Meldonium and how long it lingers in the body and if it is possible for results to vary over time as in the case with Povetkin when he tested negative and then positive.
     
  8. Purple Panther

    Purple Panther Active Member Full Member

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    VADA didn't botch anything. They sent the results to both camps, to the WBC, and then the WBC made the decision to postpone the fight, until further investigation. Wilder's camp formally cancelled the match.

    What is not being said in all of this, and should be, is that the maker of the drug has challenged different organizations to run tests and prove that it's a PED. The company itself has stated that it doesn't know how long it stays in the body, basically how many months.

    When you're using a med like this every day for years it will remain in vestigial amounts within the body.

    What is missed by the (biased) idiots across the YTBC and on forums is that when they stand and accuse all of these (Russian or EE) athletes of PED usage, think about it, they used it regularly for years, then it's banned, the company can't decipher the length of time (beyond months generally speaking) that it can remain in the body, and so then large % of these same athletes are getting popped for it.

    What does that tell a logical thinking person? Does it lead the person to believe that the athletes continued to use it and one after another get popped around them and just said "hey screw it, I'm Mr gingerbread man special pants they won't catch me"...or...maybe it was that they thought they had stopped taking it and were thus clean? It seems fairly basic to me.

    As far as the test being negative then positive, yes, that happens as well if the elements are trace enough. It can happen, and trace elements would have literally no effect, so why would he bother? It sounds to me like it was just a vestige of his past legal usage. Basically this "PED" has little more effect than caffeine anyways, from what researchers and scientists at the Mayo Clinc has stated when asked.
     
  9. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    OK I get where you're coming from now and I agree. The whole situation with Meldonium has been one big cluster phuck in terms of enforcing a ban, which is impossible if they don't know how long the drug lingers in the athletes system which is why we've seen so many athletes with positive results.
     
  10. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    Team Povetkin has very big chances to pull out a Graciano Rocchigiani against WBC. The amount of 0,07 mcg is very, very low and acceptable.:good
     
  11. thesmokingm

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    It doesn't matter just like there's no free lunch with Clenbuterol. Athletes routinely claim, it was beef. It doesn't matter, you get nicked you get popped. You can cry about it, but you will get convicted either way and banned. Look at Lucas Browne. Look at Alberto Contador. Contador was stripped of his Tour de France and all wins and results for two years. Browne is suspended and stripped of his belt.
     
  12. Saltzy

    Saltzy Bam-O Full Member

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    If it was steroids I'd say screw it but a drug that allows more stamina in a prize fight? Absolutely not. Taking a drug that gives you a massive boost in Stamina especially at heavyweight when bigger men already have stamina issues and that's just a major concern.

    Im sure if it were roids Wilder probably wouldn't have a gave a **** but fighting an energizer bunny when you bank on Povetkin getting tired late in the fight after being the aggressor and he's not getting tired then you're pretty much F'd
     
  13. QuadrupleG

    QuadrupleG MAZAFAKA Full Member

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    This drug doesn't give you any "massive boost". Its manufacturer claims that it doesn't give you ANY boost.
     
  14. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Fraud Squad couldn't wait to get on the plane which tells you all you need to know. They might foolishly think they can somehow sue Povetkin and claw back but the facts on Meldonium, its benefits and retention in the body, are unclear, especially for boxers in intense camps. I hope the duckers get landed with a huge bill.
     
  15. dellboi94

    dellboi94 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder is the only person in the history of boxing who is criticized because his opponent is a disgusting cheat.