I don't know what his point is. He just jumped on me calling me an MMA fanboy and I still don't understand what his point is. I am giving him the benfit of the doubt and thinking that maybe he just misunderstood my position but he probably is just stupid.
So? Why is street fighting the benchmark? Boxing is a skill sport, as is MMA. Which one is "closer" to real street fight is as significant as which one is closer to tennis. Who cares? They are just different sports.
Because that was the topic of our conversation. I used the street fight analogy because it is one that most her can relate to. I doubt that most posters have trained in MMA. That and Kimbo (the thread topic) is a street fighter with VERY LITTLE training. My point that MMA is closer to a street fight is that I believe that gives him an edge. In boxing if you are loosing with your hands then you are not going to wim the fight, it's that simple. The thing that MMA and street fighting have in common is that if you are loosing with your hands then you can go for a take down or vice versa. Not really many people have walked into gyms to learn boxing or MMA for self defense. MMA was basicaly to see what styles are the best styles in a real world situation or in other words to see what what is actually effective in the street, you know what works and is not Steven Segal bull ****. We know the answer to that question which is boxing, MT, and BJJ. I don't understand why people can't accept both sports. I enjoy watching boxing, MMA, and grappling. Who cares? They are just different sports.[/quote]
I already posted this in another UFC thread that was deleted with the wipe. Okay, it's NOT just arguing semantics. Most fighters, but not all, in MMA have a specialty fighting style. Most fighters learn one martial art, and use that as a building block for their MMA career. You have Muy Thai fighters turned MMA, Brazilian Ju Jitsu, Wrestling, etc. All of the previous mentioned, including boxing, is a pure form of a martial art. Now, those martial arts alone were not enough to give them victory in MMA competition. Hence the term "mixed" martial arts. They had to incoorporate techniques and skills from other martial arts, mixing it into their current specialty. So, it's not so much of a semantic argument as much as it is a complete a total misunderstanding of what MMA is. MMA is not Jiu Jitsu, or wrestling, or Muy Thai, or any of that. It is the combination of different skills in martial arts. You'll notice that most MMA fighters use completely different disciplines depending on where they are in a fight. They may kickbox in the standup phase, and then switch to Ju Jitsu when the fight goes to the ground. Now, as I said earlier, most fighters have a specialty. If a boxer learns a takedown defense and some basic groundfighting, he is mixing in other martial arts with his own. He is now an MMA fighter with a specialty in boxing, and who knows how good he could be. He might be able to become a champ in some MMA org, but he wouldn't be a boxer anymore so it wouldn't prove anything. It's only boxer versus MMA fighter if you don't TRAIN the boxer in other martial arts. I never said one MMAer with a specialty in Muy Thai beats another with a specialty in boxing. You might be surprised how different the boxer looks after a year of grappling training.
Absolutely not. He doesn't have the knowledge necessary. The REFS break up the clinches in boxing for god's sakes. How can you not see how VAST the difference is?
I believe MMA was originally contests where contestants fought each other with differnt styles. Early UFC had boxer vs wrestler etc. Now MMA schools have BJJ, MT and boxing and the term has evolved to describe those three styles combined, to my understanding anyway. I miss the old days when it was boxer vs akido etc. That was interesting but no longer is the question of what styles are effective asked so we will not see those matches again.
are you a ******, I said with a year or two of wrestling and bjj, and maybe some muay thai too. Not just walk in with no other experience other than boxing.