This victory gives nothing to Lomachenko

I have Loma number 1 p4p, but no beating a smaller man however good he is does not and should not gain a boxer p4p recognition. That's pretty basic to the concept of p4p. If Loma's number 1 it's for the skills he's shown and the dominance with which he's won most of his fights, throughout his career, definitely not especially the Rigo fight.

 

Yep. I have crawford and loma basically 1a and 1b. I don't have issues with people putting Loma p4p #1 but saying he gets that spot because of Rigo is ****ing dumb imo.

 

Also, you mention eye test but Gamboa looked awful in his previous 3 fights before Crawford against Deleon, Farenas and Perez. He looked poor in all 3 fights?

Beating world class opposition is always the number 1 criteria for ranking fighters, whether it by p4p or division by division rankings. Rigondeux's resume is light, I agree but his win over Donaire is levels above anything Gamboa did, I don't think that is an unfair statement..

 

To be honest with you, I'm not even saying Loma should be p4p1 to be quite honest, post PBF nobody has made that spot their own. My original point was that I felt Loma's win over Rigo was better than TC's over Gamboa, just my opinion.

 

Show me proof that Floyd was in fact severely dehydrated and needed 750 ml of IV fluids. Better yet, just explain how he got to that point hours after the weigh in and why no one on his team handed his ass some water. We'll start there.

 

Can you respond to my questions. This is what I dislike about forums. Someone makes a point, I refute it, instead of acknowledging that their logic was flawed they just bring up other points. Then it's never ending. Do you see where I'm getting at here? But sure. I'll respond to your points below anyways, even though it's playing right into what you're doing.

What? He looked awful against Ponce? Also Farenas? What do you consider as awful? He dominated both of those fights. He did look bad against Perez I admit.

Yes Rigo's one win over Donaire is better than any Gamboa win. But Gamboa has a far better collection of wins.

 

That's fine, but I didn't get the vibe that you were trying to portray it as just your "opinion". But then again that's just my assumption. Honestly I don't rate either wins that highly. Whenever I rate Crawford wins Gamboa isn't one of the first names that comes to my mind. As for which wins were better my reasoning is pretty simple, Gamboa has fought at 135 at least and he was 32. Your arguments aren't necessarily bad though.

 

He needed it to produce a urine sample. The IV was given by an official and was cleared. Like I said show me proof or log off you have nothing but bitter speculation and are still losing sleep almost 3 years later, seek help for you loss. PBF UD #48 now then and forever deal with it.

 

Do you mean your question about GGG? I do not have a p4p list but I've never said he is a p4p great, if you can go back and find where I did? My original point was, Loma's win over Rigo was better and more significant than TC's over Gamboa and following on from that Lomachenko on average has fought better competition than Terence Crawford.

 

That's fair enough, time will tell in regards to TC and Loma, I feel if any fighter becomes the true p4p1 it is one of those two.

 

Actually I apologize it's late here. I thought you stated that to get in the p4p list you need to beat a p4p fighter. That's why I brought up GGG. Because GGG has been regarded top 3 for a while.

I disagree with both points.
Walters-1 year lay off
Sosa-Basically a Lundy, Dulorme
Marriaga-lol
GRJ-His best win imo, I'd actually rate it above Postol even though Postol has the superior resume.
Martinez-Again basically a Lundy, Dulorme.
Rigo-37 year old inactive small guys tend to age worse. I'd rate Gamboa over Rigo win but I don't rate either that highly.

The fact that I'm rating GRJ so high should show that I'm being quite fair. It's a win easily discredited but I'm not going to be dishonest. I'm not so sure you are though. I'd say GRJ win is better than any 1 win Crawford has had, but I don't think that having 1 win better means you're fighting better competition. I think overall Crawford has fought more quality opponents.

 

I'm pretty sure he drank some water after the weigh in? And you mean to tell me he needed 15 bags of IV fluids to produce a urine sample? You are actually saying that the official said "we need a urine sample --- here's FIFTEEN BAGS OF IV FLUIDS". Floyd said that he was "severely dehydrated." How did he arrive at this critical state?

Why are you being dense? It's so obvious what happened.

 

Walters - A lot of high level fighters fight once a year, no excuse and better than anyone on TC's resume.

Sosa - I'd rate him similar to the likes of Diaz
Marriaga - On the level of Lundy, Jean etc
Martinez - Dulhorme and Lundy level
GRJ - Good win
Rigo - Good win (people were asking for the fight for years)

 

Anyways I'm going to sleep buddy. For the record I don't think it's ridiculous to say that Loma has fought better competition. I just don't agree with it. There's a lot of subjective ****. And yeah, we'll see how Crawford does at 147. I think he toys with guys like Thurman. Spence on the other hand.. another guy who I think is a top 5 p4p talent I would favor over Crawford. But size comes into play here.

 

It's not obvious and he was cleared but let me guess you know more than the officials??? You're just a bitter PBF hater mad that your hero got tooled, let it go.