Tommy Hearns vs Joey Maxim

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Maxim won the fight with zero controversy. Thus, he was the better fighter that night.
     
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    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maxim won but even if you choose to ignore the following facts because they don't fit in with your agenda:

    - Robinson had a huge points lead
    - it was the heat that prevented him from finishing a bout for the only time in his 25-year career

    Robinson still went 13 rounds with the light-heavyweight champion the world.

    That on its own shows that he had business fighting at 175.
     
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    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I hope you're doing this on purpose as your idea of a joke.

    No one in their right mind would seriously suggest that Maxim was the better fighter that night.

    If you are serious then you're as crazy as the guy in your avatar.
     
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    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree Hearns probably loses, but Robinson certainly belonged in there at 175 and was handling Maxim without too much of a problem, from all I've read.
     
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    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Robinson later wanted a fight with Maxim's successor Archie Moore and they met up for dinner with their wives.
    I couldn't see Robbie handling Moore easily.
    I read years ago that Robinson ended the fight weighing the same as a Welterweight and Maxim under the Middleweight limit??
    I could imagine the Robinson part but not Maxim's
     
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    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're right and here's the evidence:

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    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Can I now claim that Barry McGuigan best Stevie Cruz!

    Cuz that's a deal I'll make.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I value results.

    Maxim gained the result. He won the 15 round fight thus proving, on that night, he was the better fighter. It's pretty simple and entirely irrefutable.
     
  9. Levook

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    Yeah it wasn't close at all, but no excuses of course. Maxim, though not any kind of puncher to speak of, was strong, extremely tough, intelligent and a rough night for almost any LHW in history. Heck, even some HWs too. Joey had a great chin.
     
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    All fights should be held in sauna like conditions.

    It tends to peel back who really is the best boxer - or, at least, it might determine the fighter with the greater tolerance to extreme heat and humidity - not something I personally look for in a boxing match.
     
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    Agreed. Not what I'd call 'fair' conditions for a fight, but I guess they had to deal with it back then, along with people smoking in the arenas and everything else.

    I wonder if Crawford-Spence was held under the same conditions for 15 rds. what would happen?
     
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    Yeah, citing those conditions and their impact on the outcome is not an excuse or taking of credit from Maxim. Just a fair observation and appreciation of what went down.

    From the other end, without it being a self contradicting view. I can also understand Maxim’s stating “Well, what was I supposed to do, I was subject to the same conditions”.
     
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    Oh definitely, he outlasted Sugar Ray and that's all there is to it. He came through like a real champion.

    I can see it surviving also as a testament to Robinson's flat-out greatness, to be competitive (and then some!) at such an old age, at a much higher division than where he was at his best (at a time when division-hopping meant something), against an ATG, after all those wars.............my goodness, no wonder the man is rightly considered the best to ever do it!
     
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    Robinson can have no complaints and he never did complain.

    But he clearly would have won this fight comfortably in less extreme conditions.
     
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