Toney Vs McCallum 1

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Nigel_Benn, Jun 9, 2023.

  1. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2009
    Messages:
    11,911
    Likes Received:
    4,660
    that would be great.I myself scored the 2nd fight, 14-113 Toney.without the 1 point penalty, it would have been a draw.I thought Mike maide some adjustments to avoid the big right hand and Toney put together his punches better
     
    Dynamicpuncher likes this.
  2. Nigel_Benn

    Nigel_Benn Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Messages:
    2,093
    Likes Received:
    245
    One thing I just realised - Toney had a seriously underrated left hook. Because his right hand was so potent and he scored a lot spectacular KOs with it (Prince Charles Williams comes to mind), it was rightly regarded as his money punch. But his left hook decked Nunn, it was the left hook that began the knockdown of Jirov and it was the left hook which seriously hurt McCallum in the 12th.
     
    Smoochie and AwardedSteak863 like this.
  3. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2005
    Messages:
    42,059
    Likes Received:
    3,639
    Toney-McCallum 1 is a masterclass. Absolutely beautiful display of technical skills from both guys, with a good amount of action too.

    I had it wider than most people, scoring it 8-4 for Toney. I had McCallum ahead in the rematch though, by a point.
     
    Smoochie likes this.
  4. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2022
    Messages:
    17,460
    Likes Received:
    37,558
    So i watched the rematch i don't think Toney was as good in the rematch personally.


    Mike McCallum vs James Toney 2

    1 Toney
    2 McCallum
    3 McCallum
    4 Toney
    5 McCallum
    6 McCallum
    7 Toney
    8 Toney 10-8 point deduction
    9 McCallum
    10 McCallum
    11 Toney
    12 McCallum

    114-113 McCallum

    So i decided to watch their 2nd fight after watching the 1st fight last month, i thought this time around McCallum was unlucky not to get the decision. He went to the body more in this fight and out punched Toney to win a close decision IMO.

    In the 1st fight Toney's power punches especially the right hand were alot more apparent, in the 2nd fight not so much and Toney didn't look as good in this fight and wasn't active enough for me overall.

    The point deduction was total BS aswell and not needed, and the judges scorecards were horrendous aswell. McCallum outlanded Toney by 100 punches and lost by 117-110 on two scorecards ?

    Overall not as good as their first fight, but McCallum made a few adjustments and was slightly better with the jab in this fight and went to the body more. Toney i think overall looked slightly worse in the rematch, and was not as active and his power punches were not as apparent or effective compared to their 1st fight.
     
    JohnThomas1 likes this.
  5. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2009
    Messages:
    19,779
    Likes Received:
    704
    I thoroughly enjoyed every fight of the trilogy honestly. Lots of skill involved both elite technicians. Masters of making opponents miss by inches just a pleasure to watch for me. Toney/Nunn n Curry/McCallum r special to me too.
     
  6. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    17,492
    Likes Received:
    11,185
    I've said multiple times on here that I believe this is one of the greatest high skilled chess matches in history. Also one of the fights I constantly refer to when I give an example of boxing at its highest level.
     
  7. Nigel_Benn

    Nigel_Benn Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Messages:
    2,093
    Likes Received:
    245
    It is only recently rewatching Toney's fights that I notice his left hook is probably his most effective punch. He stunned McCallum with it in the 12th in the 1st fight, starched Nunn with it and it was the left hook that started the knockdown of Jirov.
     
  8. Blofeld

    Blofeld Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2022
    Messages:
    1,309
    Likes Received:
    1,654
    May take
    Astounding technical boxing feast, maybe the greatest ever. Huge props for Toney for fighting the often avoided McCallum. It is a shame the idiots at the WBA stripped Mike before the fight as would have been nice for both to keep their belts after the official score of a draw. If this was a 15 rounder I suspect James may have stopped the iron chinned Bodysnatcher but Toney also looked pretty spent after his heroic final round rally. However I had Mike winning simply through greater work rate. Whenever there was a lull in the action he was always popping the jab while Toney was stalking and relying on a single shot. The commentators had Toney winning and I suspect at ringside James' harder punches made more of an impression, but on TV Mike seemed to sneak more rounds.

    Keep in mind McCallum was 35 to Toney's 23 which makes his performance even more remarkable, it is possible this and my affection for Mike made me slightly biased! Whichever way you scored it you are witnessing two of the greatest fighters to lace up gloves.

    1 - McCallum 10 vs Toney 9

    2 - McCallum 9 vs Toney 10

    3 - McCallum 10 vs Toney 9

    4 - McCallum 9 vs Toney 10

    5 - McCallum 10 vs Toney 9

    6 - McCallum 10 vs Toney 9

    7 - McCallum 10 vs Toney 9

    8 - McCallum 9 vs Toney 10

    9 - McCallum 10 vs Toney 9

    10 - McCallum 9 vs Toney 10

    11 - McCallum 10 vs Toney 9

    12 - McCallum 9 vs Toney 10

    FINAL McCallum 115 Toney 113
     
  9. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2009
    Messages:
    11,911
    Likes Received:
    4,660
    thanks for replying. I generally agree with your assessment of the 2nd fight. But I scored for Toney by a point. Mc Callum threw a lot of arm punches while Toney's punches looked sharper and harder. But scoring is subjective so I respect your card as well
     
    Dynamicpuncher likes this.
  10. RobotBoy76

    RobotBoy76 New Member Full Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2024
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    1
    I'm actually watching Eddie Chambers and his coach do a breakdown of the fight right now. It's close, and the punch stats are dead even, but I give a slight edge to Toney. He's stronger than McCallum, with heavier hands, and Mike at times is scrambling to stay on pace. Toney's shots have the greater effect - Toney wobbled McCallum more than once - but the old pro pulls out everything from his bag. Technically brilliant as well - 4th dimensional chess. Prime Toney and McCallum would have rolled over any middle-, super-middleweight fighter today.
    Breakdown:
    This content is protected


     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2024
    Smoochie likes this.