Top 10 H2H Heavyweight's

I always say that and have proved it by video even comparing him to the big jump in skill with bowe/razor and they still say im wrong when its vid it cant be wrong

louis would be destroyed fast by those dudes anybody knows that who can see good

 

Lmao shavers and Briggs? They were fringe contenders. Liston knocked out more prime opponents then any Hw in history according to “Boxing by the numbers” qualified power ranking category. Liston also threw more punches then most at a ridiculous 61.5 a round (given he wouldn’t make it past the fourth round often so I wonder how he carried it late…would need numbers from Machen fight).
Tyson I believe edges him out in regards to ko quickness but like less then a round quicker in the Ko department.

 

That’s ridiculous. Patterson wasn’t the best chin but look how many times he was stopped and by who! He was stopped five times. Twice by Liston one of the best power punchers all time once by Ingo also a great power punched and twice by Ali he was TKO once was his last fight. I wouldn’t consider that China chinned Patterson was a great fighter. I don’t necessarily disagree on Williams or Nino lol although many would on Williams. Machen and Zora are extremely underrated fighters. Hardly gatekeepers

 

There are two statements here by Steward that get to the crux of this fight, " It would have been a very tough fight for Ali",,",But Ali was the type of guy who found a way to win." I agree with both of them.

 

Ali
Liston
Foreman
Holmes
Louis
Frazier
Lewis
Tyson
Dempsey

 

Fury at 3 seems grossly premature.

 

I never claimed Briggs & Liston were as good as Liston, my point was about KO quickness & was correct.
Liston's opposition (like those of a number of champions) has been derided.
You will hep his case if you can show he knocked out more prime contenders than any HW in history.
That does not speak to just how good they were, & they were very small by modern standards, LHS & CWs at most by modern day of fights standards...

But please provide the hyperlinks to that claim.
And also to the claim he threw the most punches per round. I never hear any claim like this!
In the Ike vs. Tua fight, I believe Ike threw--an incredible 80 + punches a round.
Since that time the record has been surpassed, now held by these guys: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=kownacki+boxer+record+punches

I think you meant that his fights did not tend to last more than 4 rounds, saying he did not make it past then accidentally implies he was knocked out in those fights.
Of course the Liston number of punches being somewhat less even per round than what some have done for 12 rounds is not remotely comparable.

If you can show the hyperlinks to your 2 claims above, that would be favorable to your cause & the reputation of Liston.
Thank you.

 

You are a brave man making a prediction like that!

 

I don't have a wife, so that would be a bold prediction indeed.

I like what I see in Fury, but he has only beaten two men ranked in the top ten.

If Deontay Wilder gets blasted by Dillian Whyte, his record will suddenly look very questionable.

Hell Fury might get blasted by Whyte himself, you never just know.

I agree that Fury is a unique talent for a fighter of 6' 9'', though I think that his optimal fighting weight is more like 245.

Bottom line, he hasn't fight enough elite guys, to be a candidate for the top ten.

 

2002 rules?

Not sure I understand. Klits, and Fury were after '02. Excellent list nonetheless.

 

By agreeing with his statement that Williams was a "big can", you realize you're simultaneously labeling Machen (who you say is an "extremely underrated fighter) in the same or a similar class right?

Seeing as Machen drew with Williams, and that "draw" was a majority draw with the third judge having Williams ahead.

You can't have it both ways.

 

I agree 3 is very generous.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if he makes my top 3 after all is said and done.