Top 10 Heavyweights thread - A detailed look

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  1. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Top 1-2

    1. Usyk - Because he has more belts and the more impressive victories as Joshua is a more proven opponent than Wilder. Joshua didn't hurt Usyk much at all, but Wilder really hurt Fury at times. You could argue that proves Wilder more, but it could actually prove Usyk is better as he won more comfortably. The reality is Usyk beat the more proven opponent.

    2. Fury - I don't consider Whyte much of a victory since he was KO'd by pre-covid 41 year old Povektin, but Wilder is a good opponent. But he did beat a very tough opponent in Wilder, whooped Wlad even though it was a while ago, and proved himself far beyond even the likes of Whyte as Whyte could touch him.

    3-6th - Difficult to separate them now really as over the last 3 years they've all been a bit questionable, so i'll separate them as best I can.

    3. Joshua - More impressive resume than those below overall despite wins not being that impressive over the last 3 years, but still has the highest number of top quality opponents and has beaten all of them besides Usyk. On top of this, he beat Parker, Ruiz and Povetkin without too much difficulty. Povektin caused him problems, but it wasn't a life and death fight, Povetkin was clearly KO'd and outmatched in the end.

    4. Joyce - Going with Joyce over Wilder as has more impressive recent wins and better resume than Wilder overall really. Takam and Dubois would probably beat most of Wilder's wins. 2022 Parker is a better win than anything Wilder has pulled off.

    5. Wilder - Quick win over Helenius showing himself far above the Chisora/Takam level. Beat a better version of Ortiz twice. Troubled Fury. Just going off what we see he can do, it seems obvious that those below would likely get KO'd against him, and maybe some of those above.

    6. Ruiz - A win over Ortiz is a good win, catapults him above the below. Has beaten Ortiz more recently than Wilder has, but Ortiz is far more shot now. Still a good win, but not as impressive as Wilder's win which was far more decisive. A better recent win than those below and also has Joshua win on his resume despite it being 3+ years ago, still a fantastic win.

    7-10th - Difficult as not many people below here have many great wins.

    7. Whyte - I'm saying this largely on resume, the guy has some decent wins such as Parker, Chisora, Rivas. Based on resume I'd have to give 7th to him.

    8. Parker - Beat by Whyte previously so below him. He did destroy Chisora in the 2nd fight and beat him far more convincingly that Whyte or Usyk did. So I consider that better than anything anyone below has done recently.

    9 Chisora - Gonna have to put Chisora in the top 10 for a good win vs Pulev and I also think he beat Parker the first time, or at least earned a draw. Seems to get better with age. His win agianst Pulev is more impressive than any win of anyone below this rank. So I'd have to put him above Ortiz.

    10. Ortiz - Even though he doesn't have much in regards to impressive wins, his performances against Wilder and Ruiz would suggest he's in the top 10. He hurt Widler way more than any other opponent besides Fury and only the knockdowns separated Ruiz and Ortiz. Whenever he fought opponents in the top 20 he usually proved himself superior to that level. He looked like Ruiz' even apart from his punch resistance is shot.
     
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  2. One more round

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    I can’t put Usyk above Fury unless he actually beats him. If he does then he truly deserves top spot. I am not sure I agree with the logic that Fury went down against Wilder but Usyk didn’t against Joshua. Completely different fights and styles to draw much of a comparison. I thought Usyk was poor against Chisora whilst Fury schooled him, that is a comparison with the same fighter but I still wouldn’t draw much from it. I think Joyce should be 3rd but 4th is probably correct until he gets a win over a top 3 guy. No complaints with the rest of the list, you could argue with some either way but there is not a lot in it. Will be nice to see a few new names on this list in the next few years with a few of them reaching the end of their careers.
     
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  3. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Chisora in no way belongs in the top ten. Fury didn't whoop Wlad, he won a staring contest. Then threw away his prime ducking the rematch.
     
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  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    He whooped Wlad's ass LITERALLY.
     
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  5. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Everything you post is hilarious. You arethe most overzealous example of a delusional fanboy on the planet.
     
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  6. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Most fighters now take delboy to school or KO him.
     
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  7. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Anybody from the top ten always has. Chisora's only decent wins, a debateable sd against a 40 yo Pulev and a last minute hail mary ko against a 40 yo Takam in a fight he was losing handily.
     
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  8. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Slapped his ass all night long
     
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  9. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only way you can view Usyk as the number 1 HW is if you viewed Joshua as the number 1 HW in 2021 prior to Usyk beating him, which would be silly.

    Schooling Klitschko, brutalising Wilder twice, and totally dominating Chisora twice, is FAR more impressive than run-of-the-milll decision wins against Joshua x2 and a worse version of Chisora, scoring zero KDs and zero KOs.

    I like Usyk but there is zero argument for him being a better heavyweight than Fury. P4P sure, but not heavyweight.
     
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    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  11. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury dominated a boxing match against Wlad. That’s his job.
     
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  12. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I like this list. Basing on proven resume is always more accurate than a popularity contest. I personally feel Chisora is a little high, but I understand that Pulev was still a solid opponent despite his Triller money grab. The issue is the manner of the win.

    Also I was a little surprised at Joyce being above Wilder, but in truth Joyce's resume and that of Wilder is a close run thing, and Joyce has the better recent win.

    Fury and Usyk are interchangeable, but I agree with your reasoning
     
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  13. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If that is your idea of domination you probably think a 2-1 score in baseball is domination too.
     
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  14. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Objective facts about Klitschko-Fury

    1. The judges gave championship debut Fury (the B-side, in Germany) 8 or 9 of the 12 rounds

    2. Wlad wasn’t given a single round unanimously to Fury’s four (5, 6, 10, 11)

    3. On a round by round basis, a majority or unanimity of the judges gave Fury 9 rounds to Wlad’s 3

    4. Fury was the only fighter to be deducted a point for rabbit punching (which they both engaged in) despite Wlad blatantly headbutting Fury and turning his back multiple times to avoid being hit

    5. Wlad was limited to an all-time record of fewest landed punches for a champion in a 12 round championship fight (52 of 231, 34 of which were jabs, to Fury’s 86 of 371, 48 of which were power punches) according to Compubox, with Fury outlanding Wlad in 11 of 12 rounds

    6. Reviewers on Eyeonthering gave Fury 10 of the 12 rounds, 8 unanimously or near-unanimously

    7. It was the only contest where Wlad was outpointed over 12 rounds in 69 pro fights

    Fury beat master pointfighter Wlad at his own game, dethroned the champion and took his belts on away soil without receiving any real punishment.
     
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  15. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict

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    Fury Wlad rematch would have been good.
     
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