Top 10 Heavyweights thread - A detailed look

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  1. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk is better than Fury in a 'p4p' way, but he's not more accomplished at HW.

    Usyk beating AJ on points twice is more impressive than Fury beating Wilder x3 only because Usyk is so much smaller, so only in the 'p4p' way. Fury never has to fight people bigger than him etc.

    But in HW terms, beating Wilder on points (robbed) and stopping him twice is more impressive than two points wins over AJ.

    People still claim AJ is better/more dangerous than Wilder but that narrative doesn't work post Ruiz I. AJ post Ruiz I is not more dangerous than Wilder. For instance, Helenius absolutely does not get KO1-d by AJ.
     
    MorvidusStyle, Oct 29, 2022
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  2. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Joshua > Wilder. It is a bigger win because 1) Joshua is a better opponent than Wilder 2) Usyk didn't get floored four times.
     
    deyell, Oct 29, 2022
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  3. Joy_Rones

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    Some good posts from both sides of the Fury/Usyk debate and miniq s**tposting
     
    Joy_Rones, Oct 29, 2022
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  4. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Based Purley on records

    1. Usyk- beat the guy with the best record at HW back to back.

    2. AJ - wins over Wlad Povetkin, Parker, Ruiz, Pulev, Takam and Martin.

    3. Fury - wins over Wlad, Whyte, Chisora and Wilder.

    4.Whyte - wins over Povetkin, Parker, Chisora, Rivas and Helenius.

    5.Joyce - wins over Parker, Dubois Takam and Jennings.

    6. Parker- wins over Ruiz, chisora Takam and Hughie.

    7. Ruiz - Wins over AJ or Ortiz.

    8. Hunter - Wins over Bakole, Kuzmin and robbed a win over Povetkin.

    9. Pulev - Chisora, Hughie and Forrest.

    10. Wilder - Ortiz, Helenius, Duhaupas and Washington.
     
    Mitch87, Oct 29, 2022
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Fury showed great head movement and footspeed v Wlad better than any of Wlad`s previous opponents.
     
    mark ant, Oct 29, 2022
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  6. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    @NEETzschean back again under yet another alias.
     
    Safin, Oct 29, 2022
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  7. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Winning 9 rounds in a boxing match is dominating
     
    Ducklerr, Oct 29, 2022
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Did you know that in just 20 fights Usyk has beaten as many world champions as Fury and The Dosser have fought in 79 combined fights and they were all in their primes or 35 y/o or below and he beat them all in their backyards, whereas every world champion Fury and The Dosser have fought with obviously the exception of each other were between 36-39

    Liakhovich 37, shot to bits, was 2-4 in his last 6, 3 of said losses via KO or stoppage, both wins against scrubs, and was coming off back-to-back stoppage defeats

    Wlad was 39 but almost 40, was well past his best albeit still the rightful #1 HW in the world at the time

    Stiverne was 36 and 39 respectively

    Cunningham was 36 going on 37

    Usyk has beaten 6 world champions in 20 fights

    AJ
    Gassiev
    Briedis
    Glowacki
    Huck
    Bellew

    It should be 7 because Mchunu was robbed against Makabu

    Fury has beaten 3 in 33 fights

    Wlad
    The Dosser
    Cunningham

    The Dosser has beaten 2 in 46 fights

    Stiverne
    Liakhovich - shot to bits

    The only prime world champion The Dosser has beaten is Stiverne and he fought all his champs in his backyard

    The only prime world champion Fury has beaten is The Dosser
     
    Serge, Oct 29, 2022
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  9. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He was made to look far better than he is, by a 40 year old going through domestic strife. Fury's whole career is a pathetic joke.
     
    fencik45, Oct 29, 2022
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  10. Elvizzz

    Elvizzz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So what do you suggest? Usyk #1 at HW?
     
    Elvizzz, Oct 29, 2022
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Absolutely
     
    Serge, Oct 29, 2022
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  12. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jennings must have shown second best by a hair, head movement and hand speed then. Wlad looked just as bad vs Jennings as he did vs Fury.
     
    fencik45, Oct 29, 2022
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  13. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    How is Deontay Wilder number 3 when his last decent win was against Ortiz 3 years ago? Beating Ortiz alone is not enough to put him above Joshua or Joyce.
     
    Vegan Beast, Oct 29, 2022
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  14. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    But the problem is, Chisora's best recent win is better than anyone below.

    Pick any fighter below the top 10 who has a better win?
     
    Vegan Beast, Oct 29, 2022
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  15. LD Boxer-Puncher

    LD Boxer-Puncher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Basically, if Fury isn't your number one heavyweight pick, it's because you don't like him and aren't able to look past your bias.
     
    LD Boxer-Puncher, Oct 29, 2022
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