Top 15 featherweights of all time

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    He knocked out the same bareer who beat Hamed and 26 year old eric morales. He beat a prime MAB, a great fighter. He sports a 4-1 record against MAB and Morales two hall of fame fighters, with 3 knockouts. No fighter HAS EVER STOPPED barerra or Morrales, no one and yet Pacman scored 3 knockouts apeice between the two of them.


    In 2 fights he has yet to record a win over Pacman. He also lost to CHRIS JOHN. Morales right up there with him when he arguebably lost all 3 fights to MAB??? Morales got that one great win over Pacman but pac avenged it with 2 knockout wins. I think MAB and Pac are the two best out of the lot.....

    I rate them

    1. Pacman- Sports a 5-1-1 record against the rest of the 3
    2. MAB
    3. Morales
    4. JMM


    1. Pacman
     
  2. Sweet Pea

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    I guess my argument about Morales beating him and losing when past his prime didn't register. I gave him credit for beating Barrera(his best win) but it was not the best Barrera. Hell, Barrera fought better in the rematch.

    In the opinion of the judges, not in my own and many others.

    In a robbery that Marquez should've won about 8 rounds to 4.

    Marquez beat MAB, he also arguably beat Pac twice. Morales beat MAB one at least, and did better against similar competition(Pacquiao, Jones, etc), which is why I rate Morales just slightly ahead of Barrera, even as close as their series was.

    If you go by their official records I have no quarrels with that, but records rarely tell the full story in boxing, especially in cases like these. In an ATG sense that is reasonable, although they are extremely close, but in a head to head sense is where I beg to differ.
     
  3. teeto

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    I think the order you put them in Suzie, is how it looks at face-value. You may be right, but it can be interpreted differently. Imo, JMM was robbed in the first Pac fight, havent seen the rematch, i underatand it was very close though. Before Morales was beaten by Zahir Raheem, i used to swear by him to win every fight he had unless it was against Barrera. Obviously i would be wrong but that was how much the man impressed me. Barrera was great, just great and so is Pac, his best win was Barrera no doubt. And the case can be made that Morales wasnt at his absolute peak in the rematches with Pac, seems convenient though in making an argument for Morales, i understand that.

    Anyway, the real underdog here is JMM, people could just rate him 4th all-day here because at first glance he is not as great as the others for obvious reasons. But the man is technical brilliance, and if i see the Pac rematch and judge it in JMMs favour then it could elevate him in my general opinion of him, as i think he won the original bout.
     
  4. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I dont see how you can possibly give JMM-Pac I to JMM. Pac earned a 10-6 first round. That would mean for you to have JMM winning at least 8 or 9 out of the remaining 11 rounds, and although he outboxed pac he did not completley shut him out the next 11 rounds and he did not do enough on the cards to overcome the 10-6 first round. I had Pac winning 113-112.
     
  5. SuzieQ49

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    Ok lets talk h2h, Pacman had displayed a combination of Power and Handspeed the division has never ever seen, and he is a southpaw. Some may compare him to hamed, but he has the durability, warrior mentallity and mental toughness that naseem only wished he could have.



    I rate MAB over morales because of there series, his all around longevity and his amazing underdog win over the biggest hotshot in the divisino Undefeated Naseem Hamed. Morales did beat Pacman though which probably is more impressive, but Pac came back to knock morales out. I have a whole collection of MABs fights starting from early 1990s and I am very impressed with his tools h2h.



    ps JMM beat a pretty shot version of MAB


    Pac arguebably beat JMM twice considering the first fight should have gone to Pac if that idiot judge had known that he was allowed to score a round 10-6 instead of the 10-7 he stupidley gave.
     
  6. SuzieQ49

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    JMM does have technical brilliance, but he still doesnt have the resume of the others. He has yet to avenge his loss against chris john.
     
  7. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They'd probably be next on the list. You could argue them scraping in instead of the likes of Pedroza and I wouldn't complain too vociferously.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    You havent watched much of Naz, for the record H2H Hamed sparks Pacquiao. Hamed has too much power, timing, hit and not hit skill for the predictable Pac. You say he doesnt have toughness/durability pure bull**** if you watched his fights you'd know

    I agree Barrera, Hamed, Pacquaio, Marquez are all top15 featherweights. Morales is hard to judge as he didnt do much at the weight, his best wins come at 122 and 130
     
  9. SuzieQ49

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    Now thats just ridiculous. Pacman is simply a better more complete tougher version of Naz. Why do you think pacman dominated MAB so easily knocking him out, while Naz got beat up and outboxed badly by MAB??


    Sorry Naz doesnt belong on that list, he got exposed by MAB
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    1. Styles make fights, Pacquiao is very 1 dimensional and predictable. Barrera counter punched Naseem, Pacquaio would come forward and catch massive counter punches from the heaviest featherweight puncher ever and get ko'd, Naseem simply hit harder, Barrera said Hamed hit harder for what its worth, but Barrera didnt take Hameds best shots anyway

    2. Hamed dominated 126 from 1995-2001, beating every belt holder, and fighting 10champions, despite first winning titles at bantamweight, he was in decline from 1995 onwards and peaked early much like Tyson. In his prime Naseem was a fleetfooted combination puncher much like Tyson changed to throwing single shots and lost all his movement

    Americans didnt get the chance to see prime Hamed
     
  11. pugilistspecialist

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    I have to say Pac-Man and Barrera are waaaaay too high they didnt do much at the weight. They are great pound for pounders but strictly at featherweight they didnt do much. Also Sanchez was a great fighter but he is far too high, other fighters beat better fighters and had longer careers, not his fault but we cant go off what could have been.
     
  12. Ted Spoon

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    Always thought Jem Driscoll should be right inside the top 3 or, a less popular vote, at the top of the hill.

    Here was a guy who could tame decent men like Leach Cross from higher weights.

    The soundest, conventional technician of all the Featherweights.
     
  13. mcvey

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    Naz got schooled in his fight with MAB ,great puncher but only a good fighter.Now tell me I know F *** All because I don't agree with you .For the record I allways thought Hamed was overated and bet on him to lose against Barrera ,I won £50.Hamed doesn't belong with the top names of the division.
     
  14. SuzieQ49

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    Ted Spoon,

    How do you see Jem Driscoll doing vs Willie Pep?
     
  15. teeto

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    Yea, on the legacy side he is probably 4th, i just meant he is probably underrated h2h, maybe?