Top 15 middleweights of all time

GGG beat Canyellow fair and obviously, but his resume is too weak for a top 15 list.

No to Zale as well. But all the other names mentioned are in th top 20 at least.

 

Golovkin didnt beat Canelo (I had it a draw), certainly didnt do it convincingly, and lets keep in mind that at 33 it was his first marquee fight and it came against a guy moving up in weight dont make me puke rating him in the top ten of the deepest division in history. God ****ing damn the guy is the poster child for modern overrated fluff. How many "defenses" does he claim?? How many of those opponents will be remembered in 10 years?

 

Do you consider Hagler modern? Hopkins? I rate both over Monzon H2H, at MW, and P4P. Sorry to burst your bubble. BUT can you deny any of my criticisms of him? No. You cant. He has a million wins at home against nobodies at a time when Argentina had the nost corrupt officiating youll see this side of 1990s Germany. His best wins came against smaller, faded fighters. He ducked his top contender for 3 years and only agreed to fight him AFTER a near career ending car accident that mangled said challengers power hand. None of that is disputeable. So why should I rate him above a guy like Greb who beat the **** out of men in three divisions while a MW? Or Robinson, who was dominant in two divisions while weighing under 160, I could go on but I think you get the point. The bottom line is that Monzons rep is so overblown and distorted today its beyond belief.

 

He certainly is being overrated by people whom place him in anything approaching a top ten all time list. His credentials in the ring certainly don't speak to that extreme level of ability. You can fit him in somewhere in the top 30 if you're generous I suppose.

 

Newsflash: Ward is Supermiddleweight. Kovalev is LHW. Nevertheless when he tried to make the Ward fight, Ward said "no". It's history.

Golovkin beat a roided to the eyeballs Canelo 8-4, comfortably.

He would have smashed Martinez, Sturm, Eubank and Chavez Jr as well had they managed to have their balls drop and find a pen to sign on the dotted line.

 

What beats me is how people can rate Hopkins that high and yet have disdain for Golovkin. Hopkins lost to Jones and drew with friggin' Mercado ffs. He looked less than spectacular in several fights. He also had his share of bums like Melvin Wynn and Eric Rhinehart. Since when has Golovkin ever looked like he was struggling against an opponent? He's been sensational. Now, I can understand MW is insanely stacked and that you might not have Golovkin in a top 10 list. OK, sure. But I don't understand how you can have Hopkins as high as 5-6 and not find place for GGG. Beats me.

 

I'm not going begrudge ranking Hagler above Steele. I love Hagler. But the argument can be made either way.

 

Monzon out of the top 5 is ludicrous. The guy was undefeated for 13 years. A fluke, I suppose. I guess the 10 years in which he arose to the elite level and then dominated it constituted a weak decade, as if those exist in such duration. I am trying to remember who he ducked in that time. Perhaps someone can help.