Top 50 P4P ATG Lists?

Tyson and Holyfield, two of his best wins, weren't smaller then him?

You should penalize a heavyweight MORE then fighters in other weight classes because heavyweights don't even have to debilitatingly cut weight to have 40, 50 or even 60 pounds on another fighter.

 

I didn't say Tyson and Holyfield (and I don't think Tyson is one of his best wins). I said a good amount of his opponents weren't much smaller, which is true.

 

Being overweight like Tua, steroid induced bodybuilder like Bruno and being nearly the same weight as Lennox doesn't really impress me either. Lennox was a NATURAL 250 pound fighter.

I feel Lennox is a top 10 heavyweight, absolutely no doubt there.

But deserving to be in a top 50 list? Negative.

 

That's fine if he doesn't make your top 50.

He's on mine though, quite comfortably too.

 

Is that why he's number 49 out of 50? Comfortable all right.

 

Is #49 by his name? I put them in groups, no exact order within the groups.

 

Not a chance sweet pea. We have to take overall careers in perspective and Griffith did FAR better at middleweight than rodriguez winning the world middleweight title and beating a slew of top middleweights throughout history that i dont need to name. Griffiths dominance at both welterweight and middleweight put him well ahead of rodriguez...


* on a side note, I do think Griffiths win over Gypsy Joe Harris is one of the more underrated wins of all time

 

So Lennox is in your top 50 at 6'5 250lb Yet you leave out 185lb Rocky Marciano and 185lb Dempsey who both would arguebably would beat any 185lbers in history plus many 220lb good heavyweights? What exactley does your p4p list imply?

 

no salvador sanchez and marciano?

 

To penalise a heavyweight boxer for being too big in an unlimited weight division is ****ing stupid.

 

1. Harry Greb
2. Marvin Hagler
3. Jack Johnson
4. Ray Robinson
5. Benny Leonard
6. Sam Langford
7. Willie Pep
8. Tommy loughran
9. Terry McGovern
10. Roy Jones Jr



11. Joe Gans
12. Jack Dempsey
13. Roberto Duran
14. Jim Jeffries
15. Bob Foster
16. Hnery Armstrong
17. Jack Dillon
18. Carlos Monzon
19. Muhammad Ali
20. Jimmy Wilde


21. Abe Atell
22. Alexis Arguello
23. Joe louis
24. Ezzard Charles
25. Gene Tunney
26. Jimmy McLarnin
27. Tiger Flowers
28. Jose Napoles
29. Stan Ketchel
30. Archie Moore


31. Mickey Walker
32. Victor Galindez
33. Panama Al Brown
34. Eder Jofre
35. Pancho Villa
36. Rocky Marciano
37. Micheal Spinks
38. Sal Sanchez
39. Larry Holmes
40. Matthew Saad Muhammad

41. Dick Tiger
42. Marcel Cerdan
43. Pipino Cuevas
44. Hitman Hearns
45. Terry Norris
46. Pernell Whitaker
47. Hector Camacho
48. Bob Fitzsimmons
49. srl
50. John L Sullivan

Oh Yeah!! :good

 

Thanx for contributing your opinion Red Rooster, here are my opinions

1. Harry Greb
2. Marvin Hagler- too high and never proved he could take on lightheavyweights
3. Jack Johnson- Ummm Why is he this high? Over Sugar Ray?
4. Ray Robinson
5. Benny Leonard
6. Sam Langford
7. Willie Pep
8. Tommy loughran- Too high for a one handed fighter
9. Terry McGovern
10. Roy Jones Jr- Way too high



11. Joe Gans
12. Jack Dempsey
13. Roberto Duran
14. Jim Jeffries- Way Way too high what did he do to deserve this spot
15. Bob Foster- Too high for someone who did real shitty when stepping up to heavy
16. Hnery Armstrong- Too low deserves top 5 spot
17. Jack Dillon- interesting, care to explain?
18. Carlos Monzon
19. Muhammad Ali- Too low IMO
20. Jimmy Wilde


21. Abe Atell
22. Alexis Arguello
23. Joe louis- Why so Low
24. Ezzard Charles- I think far too low, hes top 5 material
25. Gene Tunney
26. Jimmy McLarnin
27. Tiger Flowers
28. Jose Napoles
29. Stan Ketchel- Nice Pick, I like it
30. Archie Moore- Too low, top 10-15 material


31. Mickey Walker
32. Victor Galindez
33. Panama Al Brown- I really like this pick!
34. Eder Jofre- Too low
35. Pancho Villa
36. Rocky Marciano- Dempsey at 12 and rock all the way back to 36?
37. Micheal Spinks
38. Sal Sanchez- too Low
39. Larry Holmes
40. Matthew Saad Muhammad

41. Dick Tiger
42. Marcel Cerdan- Too high, over Jake Lamotta or black murders row?? how?
43. Pipino Cuevas
44. Hitman Hearns
45. Terry Norris
46. Pernell Whitaker
47. Hector Camacho- over srl? What?
48. Bob Fitzsimmons
49. srl- Way to Low, top 10-15 all time material
50. John L Sullivan

 

Luis Rodriguez beat loads of middleweights.his prime just wasn't anywhere near as long as Griffiths.

 

Thank you for your opinions my kind fellow!

Some things you might want to keep in mind. First of all:

Johnson was the first black heavyweight champion. It wasnt like in the days of Joe Louis where he had public support behind him-and connections.

Johnson moved mountains so that he could just get the shot (see unforgivable blackness)

and the most defiant man ever in the sport, openly courting white women in broad daylight. I like that in a man. Quite frankly, I dont think he gets enough credit for it.

also, when you look at the Ketchel fight, that contest was prearranged as an exhibition but Ketchel took advantage tagging Johnson when he wasnt expecting it. Even hurt, Johnson showed how lethal he could be when upon rising, he immediately took him out, with his front teeth embedded in his glove.

Johnson is much better than you realize

Hagler, like Monzon never had the desire to face any of light heavyweights becuz he was already holder of the more prestigious middleweight title. Who wants a lightheavyweight title when you are undisputed middleweight champion?

Where's the glory in it? Ray Leonard proved he could take on a lightheavyweight but couldnt do anything with the much lighter Terry Norris.

Hagler turned out to be everything you could hope for in a fighter. The pace he set in the Hearns fight has never since been dupicated and his technical prowess in the Scypion, Sibson, Hamsho, Hearns, and Obel fights, was perfection unto itself, earning for him p4p best in the sport 4 consecutive years. Marvin is vastly underrated.

In Tommy Loughran, I have deduced merely by viewing how he handled himself in the ring, that he was much superior to most of those below him

and Roy Jones, what can I say? no losses for 15 years.

Most p4p awards in the history of the game

4 titles the legit way, not the Sugar Ray way

I'm sorry about the Rock but there was nothing I could do. His undefeated record stands alone but I happen to think the others above him have higher skill level and so are more deserving of a higher rank.

Charles, and Moore took a few too many losses at the end. Jofre not really sure who he beat that earns him a higher ranking

Cerdan with his awesome record must be ranked over lamotta with his spotty 19 loss record

srl, you know my opinion on. I give him NO credit for the Hagler fight. It's like a runner cutting in on the race late after being driven close to the finish line. no credit for cheaters!

 

I agree. Luis could easily break the top 50. A shame what happend to him in the NB fight. Emile a little more famous too