Top Five Greatest Fighters Ever

This is just hyperbole. It is not a "massive" achievement to beat Cuevas and a couple of routine challengers. Come on. In a discussion of the greatest ww's ever, that obviously isn't a "massive" achievement.

Well, that seems fair enough to me. Not sure if I'd have him that high as have never bothered to make a top 20 or so for ww, but that doesn't seem too outlandish. His win over Cuevas was excellent, his performance against Leonard showed some considerable skill, and he was convincing in his ww title defences, few that there were.

 

well our definition of massive differs obviously :good

it's good the subjective nature of our sport, the way two people can see the exact same things yet see something totally different :good

 

Safest bets against peers or other atgs :

Ray Robinson
Roy Jones
Ray Leonard
Cassius Clay
Pernell Whitaker

 

Glad to see Fitzsimmons back to being overrated. Armstrong has an argument as the GOAT, let alone top 5. Charles, Benny Leonard, & possibly Pep all have better arguments to be ranked ahead of Louis and Fitzsimmons IMO. I'll respect those that disagree strongly on the latter. Actually, I'd probably rank Mickey Walker ahead of Louis.

I think Vic is right in that Joe Gans gets overlooked far too often. I'm not sure he's top five but he certainly isn't rated in enough peoples top 10 or 15's. I feel similarly about Benny Leonard too.

 

It's a great list ...

Langford to me is tops on any
Greb
Robinson
Fitz
Charles
Gans
Johnson
Ali
Louis
Leonard

 

PTP! :good

 

Hearns was matched very competitively on the way up at Welter.He cleaned out most of the fading-but still decent-former top contenders\fringe contenders\prospects, top ten men and some fighters from 140 that you would expect a prospect to be matched with.

Definitely true he's more of a h2h man that someone who gets in from fighting a whole era's worth of Welters.Leonard and Duran are the same.

 

1. Duran
2. Ray Robinson