Tougher opponent for Kessler: Sartison or Miranda

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  1. Pantera2000

    Pantera2000 9 lives Full Member

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    You are actually right! I love watching these posters (Amstredam, etc) disappear and avoid the question.... fun indeed!
     
  2. Maden

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    I am not really sold on Abraham.... His workrate is way to low for my liking... He does have a tight defense and nice power though.

    I rate him as a B/B- type of fighter.
     
  3. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    This is a little like Pavlik/Lockett isn't it? Rational people really tried to not make predictions, but knowing what you don't know is as telling perhaps. I had stated that perhaps Lockett could have the worst promoter in all of boxing. Well, maybe that can still be said. His jump from his previous best challanger to Pavlik was too much, too late in his career. Better challanges sooner may have made a difference. Either up his game or got him out of it sooner.
     
  4. Hermit

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    Thanks for the grade. Abraham has acknowledged he will have to have a better work rate over here. So, we shall see.
     
  5. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    The same Mundine that was knocked out by POWER HITTER, Sven Ottke?

    And WTF does it mean if he went 12 with a guy who's style is a boxer. Mundine's fine with a decision.

    As far as Sartison is concerned as a boxer-puncher, he's also 5'9'', so unless he's incredibly fast or he's a great counterpuncher, the mother ****er better learn how to fight cuz Kessler shouldn't have any problems with the kid.

    Miranda however won't stop coming foward and honestly I don't think Kessler has the balls to back him up like Pavlik did. ****, it's quite a feat from someone to backup the most feared puncher in the division.

    And don't even talk **** about that because Miranda hits harder than Kessler too. I'd like to see Kessler initiate that gameplan because if he can't he's gonna be in a situation where he's going to have to box off his back foot for the entire match.

    Yes, I know he did it against Andrade who's as crude as can be, doesn't throw straight punches for ****, and is off balance as hell.

    Miranda, while he doesn't have much of a left hand has one hell of a right that can turn a fight in his favor with one punch. Not only that, but he throws it straight down the middle and he's longer than Andrade.

    But this about Sartison. Man, if you think Sartison presents a bigger threat than Miranda and you actually believe that, you need to slap yourself into unconsiousness.

    :patsch
     
  6. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Didn't you pick Abraham over Pavlik?

    So what the **** is Pavlik, C+, C-?

    Slap yourself.

    :patsch
     
  7. Samurai

    Samurai I lost an avatar bet Full Member

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    Caps, you put too much effort into trying to act "hard"
     
  8. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Samurai, my friend, it's effortless.
     
  9. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    He's far from an A fighter. A B+ at his best, some performances have been B level. Abraham is powerful, has good tactics, but can be inactive and can be outboxed, that's why some of his performances drop, he'll wait too long to do something.

    If Miranda wins then it will have no bearing on his position at SMW, as Abraham is a titlist at 160 and just a solid fighter with bigtime KO power.

    Abraham himself would not be successful at SMW.

    As for how Abraham would do against the other MW's. I think Taylor would beat him by clear decision, I think he beats Pavlik and I think he easily deals with Miranda now, Sturm gets KTFO by Abraham as well.

    But if Miranda wins then he will get credit for that, it would be his best win. Don't count on it though.;)
     
  10. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Pavlik is B also, but Abraham has a good style against him, being a big puncher who picks accurate spots to throw bombs, he'll clip Pavlik just right at some point in the fight and it'll be over with.
     
  11. van the man

    van the man Active Member Full Member

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    ok buddy u made your point, u think he ducked miranda some of us dont agree, but u kinda keep repeating over and over again?! whats your agenda? what are u, a f.... duracel rabbit!
    u wont ever convince us so u are wasting your time champ:rofl :rofl :rofl
     
  12. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    How can you say all this when you pick Abraham to beat Pavlik. ****, you picked Miranda to beat Pavlik as well.

    And you completely underate Taylor who was competitive, win or lose, with Winky, Hopkins and Pavlik. And I'm talkin about the same Hopkins who had your boy in deep trouble and if he had the stamina of a man 5 years younger might have sent your boy back to Wales with a goose-egg.

    Calzaghe is a great fighter. I have no doubts about it. In fact, I'm not sure if Pavlik is quite ready for Calzaghe, but if it's between Miranda and Calzaghe, I wanna see him throw down with Calzaghe. If Abraham wins though, I wanna see him brutalize Abraham in his spells of inactivity and from a comfortable distance.

    You know, for someone that is so critical of "crude" sluggers, I don't understand why you don't feel that way about Abraham. The mother ****er gets in a shell, and then responds by throwing, wide, looping punches.

    What's he gonna do when Pavlik is puttin on the pressure, but outside of Abraham's punching range, and Abraham is receiving the beating of his life? And don't tell me that he beat Miranda, so that's a good indication of what he would do against Pavlik.

    Miranda is a powerful fighter, no doubt, and he have improved, but he wasn't a smart fighter in that fight. He didn't go to Abraham's body and didn't look for openings. He was content with just banging away with his right hand regardless of where it hit because he was so in love with his power and had his man hurt.

    He ended up tiring himself out, but you know as well as I know that he should have won that fight. That was a bull**** decision.

    But anyway, back to the question, if Abraham is ****in B-, what the **** is Pavlik?

    C+?

    So Taylor, the man that got passed Hopkins is what, a D?

    ****....
     
  13. Samurai

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    Would you say Abraham hits harder than Miranda does, as well as being a better puncher in terms of deliver, speed ect.?
     
  14. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Who the **** is Abraham fighting? His competition is no better or worse than Lockett.

    And as far as accurate shots, they might be accurate, but they're wide as ****. He's lucky though because he has the power and resolve to get away with it.

    He relies on his opponents tiring themselves out on his wannabe Winky guard, them usually reluctant to go to his body because he throws so hard, and then after they're tired, he opens up and finds them.

    Amsterdam, as sloppy and clumsy as you think Pavlik is, he's no sloppier than Abraham and he throws straighter punches, has plenty of reach on the kid, bangs just as hard, likely HARDER, and varies up his attack.

    Not to mention, he's a straight banger. He's not afraid of Abraham. Miranda bangs harder than Abraham and he wasn't afraid of what Miranda had to give, so what makes you think he's gonna be afraid of Abraham?

    Does Abraham pose a threat, for sure. He's a puncher and has a puncher's chance. But the mother ****er is only gonna win if he lands one big shot Pavlik doesn't see coming. If he doesn't, he's gonna get one hell of a beating.
     
  15. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Hell no. Abraham has no speed and he throws wide as ****.

    Abraham just has better defense over Miranda because he covers up and most fighters are just afraid to attack his body because he bangs so hard.

    Miranda wasn't afraid, he was just too hyped up. He wasn't using his brain. He saw blood and all he could think about was going for the kill.