Tua vs. Jeffries

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Really cannot believe we are comparing an immortal ATG hwt champion like Jeffries and a nondescript fighter like Tua. Tua never proved he rates anywhere near the level of a Jim Jeffries. Tua was an unimaginative hwt with a low skill level. Big left hooker but in terms of anything else.....zip.

 

Watch Tua land his right hand against Oquendo,Moorer,Bell.The idea he was just a left hooker is a fallacy,and one that you keep repeating.

"Tua was an unimaginative heavyweight with a low skill level"
How would you describe the 5.8" 185lbs Tom Sharkey who went 20 & 25rds with Jeffries to two close decisions, and whom many said deserved draw in their first fight?
Would you call him ,imaginative,skilled?

 

Which outdoor fights in heat did Sharkey have? Look at his record!

 

A level playing field for both fighters.


Still waiting to hear about all the outdoor fights Sharkey had in high temperatures!

 

I have no idea.

But like most of the era, Sharkey had not an ounce of extra weight to carry. Tua might have been well conditioned, but even at his best, he had an awful lot of excess weight to carry on.

I would have thought that heat would really effect someone like him a lot more than it would sharkey. Saying that maybe Tue would lose 50 pounds of weight during the course of the weight and go into his next match an absolute beast.

 

Jeffries had 23 fights , 2 of which were draws, then he retired in his prime. He came back for one fight and was beaten up.
Tua won his first 27 fights,lost to Ibeabuchi then won another 10 off the belt.

 

Anyone getting ko'd twice by one punch from a super middleweight, for a total of under 10 rds is not going to be going into late rounds with Tua .
The match up is prime for prime at 220lbs Tua is still 35lbs heavier than Sharkey more skilled ,more durable ,and hits harder.

Tua is a Samoan I think he can handle heat.

 

Ring Magazine list Sharkey at number 64 as a top all time puncher.

They list Tua at number 48!!!

 

There is a debate over what happened in Sharkey vs Fitz one. Most of the times Sharkey was stopped, he was past his prime.

Marciano never fought a puncher on Sharkey's level, and he retired in his prime. Ring Magazine not only listed Sharkey as a top 100 all time puncher, they did a separate article on chins and place him on the list as well.





Yes, but you have to go to the amateurs. Would you like to take a look?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v21Ilh7AjcE

Now read this, Rahman floored Tua, and easily outboxed him.

The only reason Tua beat him in the first fight was because he caught Rahman after a bell. Rhaman also floored Tua in the second fight

Maskeav did the same thing ( out box Tua ) and had the lead after 10 rounds, then he ran out of gas. Do you understand?

Now, unless you think Rhaman and Maskeav had durability and stamina equal to Jeffries, Tua's chances of winning take a hit.

The guy punked out vs Chris Bryd for Pete's sake and didn't press it vs Lewis at all. That's David Tua. One fight vs Ike is Tua's lone outing when he showed stamina and he lost it.




Tua is about 5'9" tall. He's very short. Ask Seamus. Jeffries would have a similar height and reach advantage vs Tua as he did with Sharkey.

Jeffries went into the Sharkey fight with an ailing shoulder. When did Sharkey break a finger? Prove this, and if he did, the injury wasn't as bad as his head and face and ribs, which were beaten badly by Jeffries who pretty much had one good arm for the fight.

The extra weight Tua has was fat. He would have been best at 220




For most fights after the early rounds, yes.



LOL, Tua would never make in fighting outdoors or in non air conditioned areas as Sharkey did. His punch output would be significantly less, and he's probably injury his hands with the ****py gloves used in Sharkey's day too.

All your conveniently left out points and questions have been answered.

Don't you have lawn furniture to re-arrange today?

They both could punch. Sharkey had far more stamina and aggressiveness.

I showed you how easily Savon waxed Tua with a punch to the chin in round one. While I think Tua has a good chin, can you show me on film when he was hit harder?

 

Tua was never ko'd in a professional boxing match ,Sharkey was ,5 times!
Why do you keep repeating your posts they won't get any better.

 

Sharkey went 25 rounds with Jeffries in a furnace like an environment under low hanging hot lights.

He fought outdoors and in non-air-conditioned buildings, which can even stuffier than the outdoors. Tua would-would wilt in these type of conditions.

He beat Choysnki 2x a man you consider the time line's best puncher, so don't be a hypocrite for the 100th time saying he didn't face any punchers! I'll add a few more names.

He also fought Maher, who can punch. And he KO'd Goodard who can punch.

He went 45 rounds with Jeffries.

And he TKO'd McCoy who could punch.

If you want to use Ring Magazine's top 100 puncher's as a benchmark, Shakey fought three matches vs. men on the list, and went the distance or won.

**Tua never was a world alphabet WBC, WBA, IBF, or WBO champion.**

***He lost to the best punchers he fought in Lewis and Ike ** He would have lost to Rhaman if they correctly scored a knockdown in the second fight, and he fouled Rhaman to win the first fight.

So you could say he lost to the three best punchers he fought.

He was also outboxed by Chris Bryd, who was much lighter as not a puncher.

 

It was hot. Have you ever been in a non-ac building packed with people? It's hot. DUH! You can not be that stupid. Yes he fought outdoors. The onus is on you to prove he didn't.

Also, you mentioned Sharkey broke a finger vs Jeffries? Where is this source?

 

I've never said Sharkey didn't face any punchers, Fitz ko'd him twice!.

Which titles did Sharkey win?
Goddard was a week off 43 years old when Sharkey beat him! Maher was stopped 19 times! But not by Sharkey in 2 attempts.

Can you see Maher going the distance with Tua? Byrd is 5.5inches taller than Sharkey and for the Tua fight weighed 215lbs.The same weight as Jeffries scaled when he defended against Sharkey.

The difference being Sharkey was a wide open undersized slugger who gave Jeffries life and death in that fight and Byrd was a defensively minded southpaw who was only stopped once in his prime by Ibeabuchi .

Do yourself a favour and re-read your post, it's a mish -mash of disjointed rubbish with key words left out and rambling nonsensical tirades, that address nothing and go nowhere.

 

I can look up the stadiums Sharkey fought in,and what time of the year he did so .Something I should have thought any normal person would have done before making unsubstantiated remarks.

Pollack mentions that Sharkey dislocated his arm in the fight and that a doctor confirmed this after the fight.

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