Tua vs. Jeffries

You crack me up bro

 

Tua was 19 years old
Savon 24!

 

Mendoza

Marciano fought 3 men listed in ring magazine top 100 punchers of all time list. Joe Louis # 1. Archie Moore #4 and jersey Joe Walcott # 63

All three are rated as much bigger punchers than sharkey. Even if you exclude Louis, Moore and Walcott were still bigger punchers than sharkey

 

I don't think Moore or Walcott hit harder. They were more skilled. Walcott has too low of a KO percentage to be considered a puncher.

The ring magazine list was done in a pound for pound sense, with a tilt toward famous fighters on film. None of Sharkey's ko's are on film

 

Of course they were!

 

You used an example, the Ring magazines list ,I showed that Tua is rated appreciably higher than Sharkey on that list and now Suze has done the same. You are hoist with your own pe****.
Stop squirming!

 

I've fought fights in the summer in corrugated sheds!

The onus is on you to prove your statement not me to disprove it I have the arena's Sharkey fought in on Box rec to back me up what do you have? Answer =Jack Sh*t as per usual.

 

I do think Tua hit harder. I also think Sharkey hit plenty hard.

Where I question Tua is his stamina, and his willingness to mix it, which was only show in one fight.

He punked out vs Chris Bryd. He punked out vs Lennox Lewis. He was outboxed by Maskeav and Rahman. How is he beating Jeffries?

Tua was a puncher, and durable but he's very short, limited in terms of attack, had a T-rex like a reach, low energy, wasn't fast on his feet, was easy to hit, etc...

He never won an alphabet title.

 

Go to box rec. Any fight Sharkey had that just lists a city is likely an outdoor fight. Other venues might not have had a roof, and even if they did when you put 1000's of people in one small area, you get a lot of heat.

You should not run your mouth on what you don't know or understand, but I get it, its part of who you are and wee see it here often.

 

You can question a lot of Tuas attributes but not his stamina. He broke a punchstat record in his fight against Ike and often outlasted his opponents, stopping them late.

 

Yeah, it's a complete mystery how anyone could question Tua's stamina.

 

One fight out of 59. You can't say he's going to do that ever time. History suggests the exact opposite. In many fights, Tua had a low punch output. He was slow-footed, have a very limited reach, and I think was just a shade over 5'9". He had one dangerous lead punch, the hook and he would have to get real close to use it.

Like I said if Oleg Maskeav on his 11th fight outboxed Tua, many could. And he did until he gassed.

Any feedback as to why Tua punked out when Chirs Byrd hit him?

Where was his b@lls Lennox Lewis? Tua opted to coast to defeat!

Jeffries could move, hit hard, and easily outwork this guy, plus he had an all time chin.

 

The more important question is: How on earth is Jeffries going to avoid Tua's punches or keep him off of him? I haven't seen or read anything about him that suggests that he had the skills and style to do so. In some of these threads, you and others seem to have a misconception that all it takes to keep Tua at bay is a bit of movement.

Some of your criticisms of Tua would be fine in another context but I don't see how anyone comparing him to the men of Jeffries' era could possibly conclude that he was particularly slow on his feet or easy to hit. Far better at closing distance, exerting pressure, using head movement, and slipping hard punches than the pressure fighters of old. And he's much bigger, more powerful, and more explosive.

BTW, Tua had excellent stamina-- not sure what basis there is for anyone to suggest otherwise.

 

This is false. Tua could land his hook from distance, as he at times leapt in with it. He also had a strong lead right.

 

Kevin,

You're a reasonable poster so read below, then comment, please.

Tua turned pro at 201 pounds. He was very short, and often 20-40 pounds overweight as a professional.

There is no such thing in sports as short man 240+ pounds with good stamina. He's fat.

The best puncher Tua faced beat him in Lewis and Ibeabuchi.

The third best and 4th best puncher should have TWO wins over him.

Tua hit Rahman with a hellacious hook late in the fight after the Bell. Rahman, who had the lead on points could not recover between rounds. In the rematch, Rahman floored Tua ( Ref blew the knockdown ) and clearly won it on points.

So it should be Rahman 2-0, or 1-0 and 1 ND vs Tua.

Maskeav in his 11th fight was way up on points until he gassed in the 10th. Tua than caught him when he gassed. If Maskeav had a bit more experience he might have won. As we know, neither Rahman nor Maskeav had a good chin like Jeffries did, and neither had close to his stamina either.

So you see Tua doesn't match up well with taller puncher's at all, unless they are chinny or gas late.