Tunney v Frazier

I think the word heavyweight is important here. if people are going to exclude the likes of Carpentier from Tunney's heavyweight record , perhaps they should look at the weights of some of Corbett's "heavyweight" opponents?
McCaffrey was a 160/168pounder
Mitchell 155/160 pounds
What did McCoy weigh when they fought?
Corbett was ko'd by middleweight Fitz .
What did :
Kinney
Lannon
McCann
Weigh?
Apart from drunk Sullivan and Kilrain, which," heavyweights," did Corbett beat?

 

So u think tunney was better and slicker than machen, mathis, AND Ali?

U think dempsey is a top 10 heavyweight but frazier doesnt even deserve top 25? Lmao.

We're done here.

 

I don't want to turn this into a Corbett thread, but he was praised for some of his pre Sullivan wins.

 

Yes ali lacked defense and relied on his reflexes and eye sight moreso than being technically sound, but at the end of the day ali was still faster than tunney while also being bigger, stronger, and more durable and frazier broke him down and beat him. Point being if ali is faster then tunney and frazier tagged him and beat him, tunney doesnt stand a chance.

Where we disagree is that Tunneys high ring iq and technique dont make up for the difference in strength and wont allow him to pull off what ali, mathis, and machen couldnt. Tunney didnt weight 190 let alone 200 and frazier is an outboxer killer, relentless body shots, corner pressure, weaves around jabs, cuts off the ring, and doesnt take a step back or get tired. Hes literally the worst possible opponent for tunney style wise.

Again u must be smoking cracknif u think dempseys resume has him top 15 but frazier isnt even top 25.

 

So now tunney is faster than ali and dempseys chin is better than frazier.

Keep going, im genuinely curious how far you'll go.

 

You could make a good argument for Dempsey's chin being better than Frazier's, but I have obviously gone with Frazier here.

 

Maybe 1971 Ali (the FOTC year) was only equally as fast of foot as Tunney.
But his hands wtill were faster, he was somewhat larger, & better overall.

Frazier not better in any way than Tunney?!? What drugs are you on?
Let us say you think Gene is better.
OK, but nobody can sanely argue Frazier did not...

1) Apply more pressure as a bob & weave swarmer vs. Tunney as a boxer/counterpuncher.
2) Throws more punches & have greater volume.
3) Have more weight & lower body muscle, not even close.
4) Have a much better left hook.

I would say likely have more power, & Tunney did not take enough good HW punchers to see who had a better chin.
You may like Tunney more & argue he is underrated, but to say he is better than smokin' Joe at *everything* shows a Supreme Bias that undermines all credibility on the subject.

 

No u really cant.

Dempsey was koed in round 1 by a 180 pound bum who had 34 losses.

He was basically koed by firpo and helped back into he ring. Granted firpo hit hard but it should have been a loss but credit to dempsey for shaking it off and winning.

He was dropped by gene tunney, who had average power even at light heavyweight.

Dempsey was dropped in other fights by men whod barely make cruiserweight today and werent huge punchers even by their eras standards.

Fraziers only ko loss was to an undefeated top 5 puncher atg, and he got up after every knockdown.

 

You're talking about my writing ability but you have several grammatical and punctuation errors.

Irony.

 

Frazier in 4 or 5 rounds. Would look similar to Jimmy Ellis.

 

I won't pen a detailed rebuttal here, in order to avoid thread creep.

Suffice it to say that I would be opening that debate, if we were matching Frazier against Dempsey say.

 

If you dont even speak English maybe you should get off your high horse and get back to the actual discussion? I could give a rat's turd about your personal life.

I didnt put words in your mouth, you literally said frazier isnt a top 25 hw and that tunney is better than frazier in every category. You're just mad because everyone is laughing at your post.

 

No, it would be more competitive than that, but Frazier would prevail.

 

Lol

 

Some forget that Ellis was a very good heavyweight. He had some good wins under his belt. Jimmy Ellis had never been off his feet as a heavyweight until he met the fists of Frazier.
What does Tunney do better than Ellis? Footwork perhaps?