Tunney vs. Liston

zadfrak · Sep 21, 2024

Anubis said: ↑

We have the films. Howard Cosell noted Liston's huffing and puffing as his match with the durable but relatively immobile Henry Clark proceeded. Eddie Machen went the distance with peak Sonny despite having only a healthy left and badly injured right. Former Liston 199 pound sparring partner Leotis Martin stayed away until Liston suddenly gassed. We saw how Whitehurst did in their rematch, a situation where Bert was badly outsized and had no potential for hurting the much bigger man.

Along with rivals Greb and Loughran, Tunney was absolutely fearless, extremely unusual among fighters. There is no possibility for Sonny to intimidate Gene, as was the case for Machen in dealing with Liston. (Clay actually was afraid of Sonny.)

Tunney wore down the previously impervious Tommy Gibbons, eventually mastered the blindingly fast and indefatigable Windmill. Yes, he got decked by Dempsey, but Jack was still considerably faster than Liston ever became, and Gene recovered quickly and well enough to shove Dempsey off him at the bell.

Here, I see Tunney retreating and running to start out, just as he did with Tommy Gibbons, but then, Gene was outscoring a defensive master three and four punches to one

Gene's peak performance came in his final match, with the 203 pound Tom Heeney, a pretty tough and durable 20 round fighter until after Tunney got through with him.

It can be argued that 210 pound Liston ruined 201 pound Willie Besmanoff's durability and contention potential, but still, he didn't come close to going down despite absorbing everything Sonny had prior to the ringside physican stopping it on cuts.

Sonny does not last the Championship Distance. He tires out following a continually following Liston behind a continual barrage from Gene until succumbing in the Championship Rounds. Gene too fast, too durable, too smart, too fearless, and Liston too slow.
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Agreed.

Mean Gene walks the tightrope and is the one w/ his hand raised at the end. Those boxing smarts come into play as well & the Tunney ability to alter and change things is a big advantage.

SonnyListon> · Sep 21, 2024

BoxingFan2002 said: ↑

Someone butthurt...how many excuses for this one?
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Yap yap yap yap yap yap

BoxingFan2002 · Sep 21, 2024

SonnyListon> said: ↑

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Butthurt again?

SonnyListon> · Sep 21, 2024

BoxingFan2002 said: ↑

Butthurt again?
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Yap yap yap

BoxingFan2002 · Sep 21, 2024

SonnyListon> said: ↑

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I knew...you finally admited?

Seamus · Sep 21, 2024

Canelo KO Tunney 10.

Jus' sayin'.

BoxingFan2002 · Sep 21, 2024

Anubis said: ↑

We have the films. Howard Cosell noted Liston's huffing and puffing as his match with the durable but relatively immobile Henry Clark proceeded. Eddie Machen went the distance with peak Sonny despite having only a healthy left and badly injured right. Former Liston 199 pound sparring partner Leotis Martin stayed away until Liston suddenly gassed. We saw how Whitehurst did in their rematch, a situation where Bert was badly outsized and had no potential for hurting the much bigger man.

Along with rivals Greb and Loughran, Tunney was absolutely fearless, extremely unusual among fighters. There is no possibility for Sonny to intimidate Gene, as was the case for Machen in dealing with Liston. (Clay actually was afraid of Sonny.)

Tunney wore down the previously impervious Tommy Gibbons, eventually mastered the blindingly fast and indefatigable Windmill. Yes, he got decked by Dempsey, but Jack was still considerably faster than Liston ever became, and Gene recovered quickly and well enough to shove Dempsey off him at the bell.

Here, I see Tunney retreating and running to start out, just as he did with Tommy Gibbons, but then, Gene was outscoring a defensive master three and four punches to one.

Gene's peak performance came in his final match, with the 203 pound Tom Heeney, a pretty tough and durable 20 round fighter until after Tunney got through with him.

It can be argued that 210 pound Liston ruined 201 pound Willie Besmanoff's durability and contention potential, but still, he didn't come close to going down despite absorbing everything Sonny had prior to the ringside physican stopping it on cuts.

Sonny does not last the Championship Distance. He tires out following a continually following Liston behind a continual barrage from Gene until succumbing in the Championship Rounds. Gene too fast, too durable, too smart, too fearless, and Liston too slow.
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Anubis this is excellent comment, bravo!

Ney · Sep 21, 2024

Seamus said: ↑

Canelo KO Tunney 10.

Jus' sayin'.
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But could he last more than six & a half rounds combined if he fought Ali twice?

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