Is'nt that a pity???? .....I've got no problem with people picking Mayweather for various reasons.....but to disrespect a fighter the caliber of Marquez and call the Mayweather matchup a tuneup for Mayweather to fight Pac, is complete and total disrespect of a great fighter.
I think he gets too much credit for the Casa win, and the right amount for the win over Diaz. Try to dig up the odds on those fights.
Then you'll agree that Pac gets to much credit for his vicortories over Morales? Just looking for some consistency here, if you say JMM gets too much credit for the Casamayor victory, I dont have any problem with that as long as you use the same scale to weigh other fighters.
Actually i think his KO victory over Casa is very underrated.. Winning is one thing, but the way he beat casa was very impressive. NO one has ever done that to casa.
Pac doesn't get much credit for the Morales victories. Everywhere you look its "Shot to **** this and that" Those are underrated victories on ESB IMO, those wins got him the fighter of the year awards but people aound here think they are meaningless. Pac was a slight underdog in the 2nd Morales fight, while JMM was a massive massive favorite against Casa
Fights are examined in hindsight........and hindsight is that both Morales and Casa were showing signs of decay prior to their losses against JMM and Pac respectively...... The bums that pummeled Tyson and made him quit in his last couple of fight were hug underdogs......we're not going to overcredit who they were up against because they were underdogs are we??? The facts are that both Casa and Morales were not as capable as they were say a year or two earlier......it does'nt make them shot, but they certainly were not as capable. I've never been one to diss Pac for beating that version of Morales, he certainly should get credit for beating a fighter that alot of good 130 pounders would have succumbed too...... .....but we also must deal with reality and point to it that its likely possible, with clues from the fight prior to their losses that these guys were in decline. My view on the matter is that Pac beat a good fighter in Morales, but not the same hungry fighter that beat him just a year earlier. Lets remember here that great fighters are fully capable of making one last stand when they're capabilities are slipping........ After Morales lost to MAB at 130 lbs, he was hungry to beat the man that destroyed MAB.........that slipping but hungry fighter made his last real stand against Pac.....and then went fell back to reality....the reality of long miles and the wear and tear on his body. .....its probably for a different thread, but Morales is one of those fighters that I believe fell from the elite at an earlier age then some of his peers because he was always struggling to make the weight in each of the weight classes he fought in.......that just imo wrecked havoc on his body that it finally caught up to him. I think even after losing to Pac in those fights, he would have struggled to make 135 lbs had he decided to keep fighthing. God bless him, he got away with it in his youth.....but he's a skinny type of an individual who's body was just saying, I need to grow.:?
Terrific fighter and a gentleman.I hope he beats Floyd.By the way I'm not a Floyd hater,but Floyd may be rusty,so Marquez has a real shot.Hamed ducked Marquez for years when he was the WBO #1 contender.
Casamayor's age is a classic example of the built-in excuse (for Marquez haters to discredit the victory). Casa looked old and shitty in his gift win over JASC. However, Casa bounced back and looked his old self against Katsidis. He was still a bad, bad man when JMM took him out. More dangerous than Diaz. Should've been a bigger-credit win. Pac fans throw the phrase "built-in excuse" around too liberally (Morales was shot in the third fight; and DLH was a dead man walking at 147), but this is one case where it's a fair call. But of course no matter how loud you proclaim it, it won't stick, because of the *******s who cried wolf. :yep Watch, I'm going to draw more heat than Kobe at the arc and be labelled a Pac hater (I love Pac) for the 10,456th time in my ESB career. :!:
Casa didnt look his old self against Katsidas IMO...Mick wouldnt have made it out of the second round if the Casamayor of old was in there. Instead he came back, dropped Joel and was on his way to winning when he got caught. It wasnt Casamayor of old, it was just an old Casamayor. And lets face it Katsidas is fairly average...This coming from an Aussie and a fan. To his credit he put on a commendable effort against Marquez..very commendable.
Which goes back to what I posted earlier, about aging great fighters not being up and hungry to train for the likes of Santa Cruz and Katsidis...... ......I'm sure Casamayor looked at them as average Joe's he could lick with minimal training......except at his age and with his decline in the many area's of his game that comes with fathertime, he ends up paying for it in the ring when in his youth, he'd beat Katsidis and Santa Cruz without putting as much effort and time in the gym. When you're facing a JMM, a Casamayor is sure to put the work he needs to in the gym to give himself a chance to compete......I'm absolutely certain that the Casamayor that showed up against JMM, would have had absolutely no problem with the likes of Santa Cruz and Katsidis. As I said previously, a case of a fighter fighting down to the level of his opposition.
Yeah fair enough..however I think he had clearly lost a step. Even in the Marquez fight he wasnt as quick overall. It was a commendable performance...not a winning one.
Not to disrespect him but that fight is supposed to be a tune up fight for long laid off Floyd. That's why he picked him. The fight didn't sell and it has to be cancelled to save the promoters from losing.
Casa at his prime would have knocked out Marquez in 6 rounds. He was actually winning before he got careless in engaging Marquez to a brawl.
A call to everyone in this thread with sense......please refrain from responding to Soriano if you dont agree with him...... ......his posts dont need responding too, he's doing just fine in placing that noose over his own neck!:yep