Tyson Fury: Physically Strong but Mentally Weak

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  1. Malph

    Malph Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not the biggest fan of Fury but I give him his due. There's never been in the history of boxing a guy of his size with the ability to move and box that Fury has.

    Fury's lacks disciple sometimes but I would not call him mentally weak.

    He gotten himself up for big fights but has showed for not so big fights in less than fighting shape.

    He's gotten off the canvas multiple times and came back strong. He holds up under pressure. It's when there is no pressure that he slacks off.

    It's seems like especially in the Brit media, people are looking for the reason he lost. Maybe he had the wrong color trunks? Maybe the controversy with his father broke his concentration?

    It's all just sheep dip.

    He got outboxed by a guy that's just better.

    Fury is good and would be a challenge for anyone due to his size and skillset.

    Usyk is just better.
     
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  2. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Still raging that we didnt see Bowe V Lewis Full Member

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    Mentally to come out of depression and suicide attempts to be where he is now is unbelievable, depression is absolutely terrible, and I am so glad that mental health has been given a lot more thought in recent years.

    Suggesting that Tyson Fury didn't quite have enough dedication and discipline for boxing would be a much better way of putting it rather than suggesting he is mentally weak. He does have a checkered history for ballooning up in weight between fights, and not taking training as seriously as he could have. To be at the elite level of such a sport, volatile lifestyles really takes its toll on the body physically. Riddick Bowe is another example of this.

    If Fury had Usyk's consistent training mindset for all these years as people forget just how disciplined Usyk is. I think he might have beaten Uysk in at least one of these fights.
     
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  3. gneall

    gneall Active Member Full Member

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    He's skinnyfat and not strong for his size, he should be much harder but I think his gas tank works better without all the muscle, a la AJ or Bruno.
    Inconsistent and depressed, but still puts on performances.
    It's always "Imagine if Fury had good mental health" but that's just the same as "Imagine if Usyk was 6'6" or "Imagine if AJ had a chin".. Yeah. Fixing a boxer's weak point would make them better, but that wouldn't be the same, real fighter you see before you, their flaws are what make them just as much
     
  4. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think Tyson fury is that weak mentally for certain reasons. For one, people diagnosing him with bipolar, that's a flipping difficult thing to deal with; especially while being of sober mind without mood stabilizers if any kind. I mean, the disease is unfortunate but yet I don't hear anything about Mr. Fury being treated for his bipolar depression. Most meds in that department cause weight gain upon ingestion due to a increased appetite, a slowed down metabolism and sometimes a metabolic disturbances causing weight gain. This is the reason why atypical Anti Psych medication would be detrimental to his career, his job of choice is skilled labour, a prize fighter.

    Heck he must be fighting his demons at all times! His up and down and topsy turvy talk is very much an indicator that he is impulsive, yet his decision to retire and un- retire continuously shows he has trouble making decisions, perhaps to a degree of a little bit of executive malfunction, not knowing how to make the best of his training camps.

    Listen, we've all seen iron Mike and his battles with bipolar manic depression, mostly at the times he was on medication. Example 1) was during the interview with (Barbara Walters??) when Robin Givens disclosed about iron Mikey's mental health concern; he simply say there sedated and couldn't say nothing back, not being in the moment or having the right mindfulness to protect himself and his image, which is important for a person if his stature (heavyweight champ). Example 2) when mikey got to be on the meds, he was showing significant slurred physical ability affecting his physical prowess by slowing him down. It was in the Hulu series of this during one episode they captured. It showed iron Mike in the ring and dong king who was watching said "wtf is wrong with this guy? He has no more killer instinct!" Another sample of his slowed down metabolism aka groggy from the meds. And situation 3) when Mike said it straight from his mouth :" I'm on Prozac to help not kill y'all" he ranted at a press conference...

    Boxer Shannon Briggs suffered from some mental health concerns as well: he said straight up that he didn't feel like himself while taking meds.

    It's like that song "trail of lies " by Jedi mind tricks: doctors are thugs, they say something is wrong with you so take their drugs, there s nothing wrong with you though, it's a hypocrisy!!! A drug dealer in the streets gets locked up, while a psychiatrist is a legal drug pusher! As well in the song, rapper Vinnie Paz says "fluoxetine is a main ingredient in tap water as well as in prozac / fluoxetine" claiming that the government is out to poison people lol.

    Lastly I commend Tyson fury for fighting his demons because he could have benefitted from a "Salt" called lithium but which is also bad for his liver. So meaning he FIGHTS the condition for all us of ours entertainment instead of treating it. I agree he comes up as a, well, like he would say, a dosser himself at times, he seems to be very responsible and respectful. Imo if he was sedated he wouldn't be half the fightee we've watched and enjoyed! I suffer with mental health as well, also spent some time in school for psychology, but I'm just trying to say he is a flawed champion but is also a poster boy advocating for mental health. Those times where he goes quiet for days according to Paris, while not training... Must be a wreak not competing in the gym because he probably doesn't get the same kick out of pulling weeds as the next retired man, you feel me? And the part about defeating premature death , is a fine example of fighting off self harming behaviour because suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem! And plus having those kind of balls to go out like that are the wrong set of balls to have! Peace!!!
     
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  5. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury isn’t physically strong anymore. His elbows, shoulders, back and ankles are all shot to bits. Before the Ngannou fight he was struggling to bench press 90 kg. I would say he is very mentally strong in the ring, outside it’s another story.
     
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  6. MarkAntony202

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    He has Bipolar disorder but has stated multiple times he is not medicated or getting therapy for it.

    Bipolar disorder isn’t just something that goes away, i understand that being in the gym is phenomenal for mental health but the issue is that Bipolar disorder isn’t something like anxiety or depression it is a disorder that lasts a lifetime and will always be there.

    I disagree that he’s mentally weak I think that’s a very unhealthy way of looking at it and emblematic of men’s mental health right now.

    But he is also going about treating his own mental health in a very nonproductive way.
     
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  7. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nah. He's plenty strong. Everyone is acting like Usyk boxed circles around him when in reality both fights were very close with not much difference between them.

    Usyk is just that 1% better imo.
     
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Belly is not mentally weak at all. Usyk is just mentally stronger. That's the difference. You cannot break or intimidate him even if you're twice his size and the deck is heavily stacked against him. He's one of the most mentally strongest fighters I've ever seen. There maybe others as mentally strong as him who belong to that rare breed of unbreakable fighters but none stronger.

    Look at the size difference. Belly tried his hardest to bully and intimidate Usyk but nothing worked. There were so many predicting Belly to win, saying how focused, motivated and locked in he was, and I saw a whole bunch saying this version looked scary and intimidating because of how locked in he was, how you could see it in his eyes and how good he was in rematches

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    People do realize he came in a lot heavier for all those rematches right? It's a tried and tested formula and it failed for the first time in his career because Usyk is just the much better man and fighter and because he has insane self-belief and mental strength, cannot be intimidated or bullied, and he always finds away to win.

    He weighed 247 for McDermott I

    He came in at 270 for the rematch and knocked him out

    He weighed 255 for Chisora I

    He weighed 264 for the rematch and stopped him

    He weighed 268 for the third fight and stopped him again

    He weighed 256 for Dosser I

    He weighed 273 and 277 respectively for the rematch and the trilogy fight and stopped him both times

    He tried coming in lighter. He tried coming in heavier. AJ did exactly the same and guess what? They both failed each time. Why? Because Usyk is a very rare and special breed of fighter

    And Belly did not weigh more for the Usyk rematch than he did The Dosser trilogy fight. He was fully clothed with a thick leather jacket on and his shoes on. He looked like he had a few layers on up top. He probably weighed max in the mid 270s and maybe less depending on how much he was wearing or what he had in his pockets. Heavier yes but considerably less than the announced weight

    And Usyk was not 226 either. He was probably between 221-223 max
     
  9. Scar

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    Fury's credibility took a major hit when he actually LOST to an MMA fighter with 0 professional fights.
    What's more embarrassing is that he was the undisputed Heavyweight champion going into that fight.

    I don't care what he does, there's no recovering from that. It's one thing to be careless going into a fight, but a fight like this.... Absolutely pissed on Boxing that night.
     
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  10. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Usyk is just levels above Fury and Joshua. He’s a damn good prizefighter and very hard to crack. No version of Fury is beating Usyk and what people don’t understand is Fury hasn’t regressed that much it’s just that Usyk is much better and harder to hit than Wilder and the other guys Fury had been fighting so it ‘looks’ like Fury has declined. There’s no shame in losing to Usyk.
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I must say, it still fills me with pride seeing my "Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1" quote as your custom title.:D
     
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  12. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    The “IF” game…If usyk had fury’s size, fury would have no size advantage and would lose every round!
     
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  13. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    This is What Fanny’s and the victim brigade of Tyson fury have brought to boxing.
    None of this adheres to the warrior code. U got mental issues u leave that to you n your loved ones. Don’t be advertising it for pity. You’re a paid warrior/entertainer!

    did any of us sit and feel sorry for the mental health of AJ, wilder, usyk, or even older fighters like Lennox, Holmes, Ali, foreman, jack johnson etc. or lesser known fighters like Danny Williams, Cubans leaving home etc.
    everyone’s got a life story. Not just Tyson fury.
     
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  14. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    agreed. Undisciplined is the better word. Mentally weak? No way. He’s insanely tough inside of the ring. Leagues more mentally strong than your average shlub. Or even plenty of other fighters — remember how Hrgovic looked when his fight against Dubois was finally stopped? He looked relieved. Fury would go ape**** if that happened, only way he’d ever go is carried out on his shield.
     
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  15. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    His mental weakness has caused him, though naturally strong, to become physically weak.

    His gluttony, drug use, alcohol, and indolence have ruined his naturally body.