Tyson kd vs Douglas kd

Douglas also wiped his nose for blood when Holyfield decked him indicating he could have continued. Yes, Douglas beat the count against Tyson but he didn't convince me that he was 100% ready to continue.

 

Drew 101 is correct. Once Douglas hit the canvas, he slammed his glove on the ground as if frustrated because he made a mistake. THEN he moved as if he was going to get up, listened to his corner to stay down (not get up early) and then moved to make the count. He clearly (in my opinion) knew what was going on and what he was doing.

Also, my understanding is that it is a ten count. Not necessarily a ten second count. This is why a referee can stop the count if the other fighter goes out of the neutral corner. He can direct the fighter back and continue the count from there. Please correct me if I am wrong about that but I am pretty sure it is correct.

 

agreed:good

 

He got up. The referee didn't wipe the gloves or do any checks on his mental state, and that is a small no-no. But it was also pretty clear when he picked up the count he was fine, so I can partially understand the referee's reasoning.

Tyson put in his mouthpiece backward and couldn't stand up straight. He was absolutely finished-Badly concussed.

Douglas was fine.

 

Douglas is down for longer than 10seconds, not that it matters just as the Dempsey/Tunney count doesn't matter because the rule is its the refs count and the refs decision is final. Only where the ref has blatant disregard for the rules is their controversy not with a count that is 20% off a technical seconds hand due to human error. The boxer is taught to follow the refs count so if he gets up at 9 when its really 11seconds, it doesn't mean he couldn't get up at 9seconds, it means he is following the count

 

Yes Im not saying that anything was unfair only that Douglas had the look of doubt on his face. The same look he had against Tucker and Holyfield when he could of continued in both of those fights. Douglas was very determined that night, but he really did time getting up at the last second. The ref could have easily waved off the fight as he was still getting up at the count of 10. Tyson on the other hand was clearly unconscious even when he rose to his feet. Amazing he could even get up really.

 

I think most people that have seen those fights would agree Douglas could have continued if he wanted to.

 

The Tucker fight was the referee seeing enough, not Douglas having enough.

 

Nah Douglas was winning. He threw the towel in against the ropes when the fight got hard and deep.

 

Tucker hit Douglas a real good right hand, if i remember rightly. Douglas was defenseless taking punches after that, and the ref stepped in.

It's easy to say a guy quit, but with a punch like that ... unless you were in there taking that shot it's hard to judge. Tucker really walloped him.

 

Good observation. :good

Buster was down for 13 seconds, but as already said it's the refs count that matters. I don't think he was "fine", he was wobbling a bit, & with a bit more time in the round Tyson might have stopped him with one good finishing bomb. Obviously he probably would've gotten up 4 seconds earlier to make a normal count, but i don't like the way Meyran took practically 2 seconds to pronounce "9" (despite the late start of the count), because Douglas was only half way standing up when he got to 9.

When the round ended, Tyson lost his adreneline & Buster compeletly recovered in the corner. Come round 9, Mike was totally exhausted, despite only having throw a disgracefully lazy 20 punches a round. So when he came to finish Douglas, he was beaten to the the ropes & the hellacious beating conitued.

Maybe Tyson was in the process of getting a longcount too, but the ref grabbed him at 9 & called it a "KO" even though it really should've been called a "TKO" since he was up in time but not able to continue, so i would say that means it wasn't really a longcount. I'm happy it was halted, since he was thoroughly brutalised, very badly hurt & absolutely gassed. His wonderfully incompetent trainer Aaron Snowell even said that Mike didn't know he had been stopped.

 

Yes Douglas got nailed, but in Douglas like fashion he didnt fight back like he did against Tyson. I wouldnt say Douglas was badly hurt or defenseless he just didnt have much motivation to continue once he got hit and the fight got a little heated. He has admitted he basically gave up in that fight.

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The official scores for the first 9 rounds of Tucker-Douglas were:

judge: Chuck Giampa 85-86 (Tucker) | judge: Edward S. Levine 86-86 (Draw) | judge: Glen Hamada 86-85 (Douglas)

How did you score it? (Question aimed at Unforgiven, lefthook, & anyone else.)