tyson my belifs why we underate him

Why wouldn't Tyson have a chance against Ali prime vs prime? Tyson is just another Frazier in a few ways.

 

Great post, Tyson was one of the most gifted boxers of all time, the combination of speed and power may never be replicated again. I think Tyson is underrated by the older guys and overrated by the younger guys, its a amazing to see how much love fans have for him even after all these years.

Tyson is a legend to alot of diehard and regular fans alike, when Tyson fought it wasnt just a match it was an event. I think when Tyson was in his prime during the late 80s I feel he would of gave any fighter a tough time in the ring, he had a great chin, power, speed, head movement, stamina, was a good finisher, amazing combinations, top notch body puncher. He was the most complete fighter as you can find, Ali was the only fighter comparable IMO.

 

Tyson had great stamina? Must have missed that one. He went the distance with blokes that stopped punching seven rounds earlier now and again mind.

 

Not between rounds 8 and 15 he isn't.

 

No question Frazier had more stamina, but could he hit as hard or as fast as a late 1980s Tyson?

 

And the best guys holmes beat were?

 

Probably not. But I don't see any fight with the 'Jungle/Manila' version of Ali being an early night.

 

That's where we run into real trouble regarding punch power and chin. Holmes, an ATG HW, was KOed by Tyson. While it wasn't a prime Holmes he faced, Holmes was still KOed by Tyson. I don't think an ability to take a punch fades quickly.

 

Yeah, but fitness and condition do. I was impressed with the way Tyson dismantled Larry actually (even the grandad version). But there's no denying this was a flabby out-of-shape Holmes. Holmes had been fading since 1983.

 

Holmes wasn't prime against Tyson.. enough said about that. But did Holmes' ability to take a flush shot from a heavy hitter change all that much? I don't think so. Ali's didn't with reduced movement and age (I'm not talking about the health problems he faced at the end either)!

I seen Larry get battered worse than he'd ever been battered before. I guess, for my own part, I'm still trying to figure out the why

I'm no Tyson hugger BTW! I think the guy was bad for the sport and never once tried to live up to his own potential.

 

Ali had a better chin than Holmes though. Larry's main strength was his recuperative powers, when concerning durability.

 

I don't know that with any degree of certainty. Holmes took some huge shots.... as did Ali. Should make any person wonder just a bit who was really better. Both were just to damn good!

Prime Tyson against a post war crap (war crap, not Ali) Ali is no given for Ali.

 

IMO it´s pretty simple with Tyson, we can´t rank him that high (the best, realistic ranking would be 8th ca.) because legacy-wise he didn´t do that much (he had much more potential), but head-to-head I don´t see many guys beating a 87- Tyson...

 

That's how I see it.

 

The 87 Tyson was beatable IMO