Tyson vs Douglas - the ref should have counted Douglas out

Can’t think of one atm - though there may be other examples.

If I were a ref and a fighter began to rise at say 6 or 7, I don’t know that I wouldn’t be unconsciously affected in so far as possibly slowing my count, knowing it’s going to be a close call as to whether the fighter beats the 10 count or not.

Some refs might prefer to err on the side of letting a fighter beat the count rather than hitting 10 and waving that fighter off him just 1/2 to 1 second before he arises.

It would be interesting to see how many counts did get primarily slower at the business end of the count (viz: second half of the count).

 

To put it on context, when I was a teenager, I played basketball in an area where there was a lot of talent. We even organized teams that played against teams from other areas in our city and it was boys and girls who played and we all played very good. Not NBA good by any means, but VERY good....we played, as everywhere in Puerto Rico, games ranging from first to 32 points to first to 100, with free throws and with 2 and 3 point baskets not like in the US where there are no fouls, and baskets count only as 1 or 2 points. 2 on 2, 3 on 3, 4 on 4 and 5 on 5. 50 point games by one particular player? check. Injuries? check. Broken bones? check. Blood? check. ALL-STAR GAMES (I played in 2 during my six years living in that neighborhood) check. Dunks..well I did see a couple, by a guy named Alfie who was 6 feet 5, so check, (his brother Josue later was with me in the boy band we tried to form as teens lol)

One day, I spearheaded the discussion that implementing a time limit to our games as opposed to playing on a x-amount of points-first basis was a good idea. Everyone else agreed, so we decided on two, 20 minutes each halves for future games in our neighborhood. On the games where I played, I was the one usually with the mental clock, counting from 20:00 down. On other games, some other person who thought he or she was a good counter would do it.

What happened next is what in retrospect, i guess had to happen. I got a rash of complains...when my team was winning, I counted too fast, when we were losing I counted too slow. The same happened to others who had to count and, like me, play at the same time....lol I always countered by asking "how long exactly do you think one second lasts? count to one and it's gone!" Like boxing referees, no one on our games had one of those chronometer watches and also like referees, if we did, we wouldnt be able to be looking at it anyways when we counted because we were busy looking where the basketball was going to land next, and referees would have to be looking at the striken fighter to see if they got up, not at their watches on their wrists!

Let's face it....human brains were not made with a chronometer installed on them. Its imperfect, and inconvenient in these cases, but that's how it is.

 

Gene Tunney too..he had from 4 to 7 extra seconds...

Legally, however, both Douglas and Tunney still won, be as it may be.

If you ask me however, Tunney's long count was much longer than Douglas'. Douglas was more like bordering a long count but we cannot exactly say whether it was or wasn't.. Douglas and Tyson's long count is like the knockouts' or long counts' version of Leonard and Hagler, Tito and De La Hoya..did Leonard and Tito win? Ahhhhh....maybeeeee....did Hagler and De La Hoya win? Ahhhhh...maybeeeeee

 

When did Mike use it as an excuse?

 

They could try 1-1000, 2-1000, etc. like the medical profession, lol. For fun I tested myself over 20 secs and I was out by about 2 secs - so an error margin of 1 sec for every 10 real secs.

More broadly, I’m sure we’ve all experienced become attuned and conditioned to our morning alarm clocks and somehow repeatedly waking up just prior to the alarm going off. I always hoped that I had randomly woken up 1-2 hours too early - but dang it, no such luck!

Random musing - not that he could’ve turned it around after the KD in round 8 but IF Clayton deemed Foreman to have beaten the count in Zaire and Foreman’s continuance was subject to analysis of George’s condition once on his feet - I think it likely he would have been allowed to continue.

As to Tunney, a bit different in so far as Dempsey didn’t retreat to his corner which literally and rightfully delays the commencement of the count.

In Lewiston Ali never retreated to a neutral corner and the commencement of any count on Liston should’ve been delayed - it shouldn’t have been deemed to have started without Ali retreating and certainly not accepted as a “silent”‘count to be applied to Liston after the “fact” without verbal tolling or hand motions.

 

That is why that fight signaled the end of Jersey Joe as a referee....legendary boxing champion but a legendary bust as a ref...lol!

 

Haha.

I think poor old Jersey Joe was far more discombobulated than Sonny was!

And what a great word that is. Discombobulate. One of my favourites. Barely an excuse to link this vid, but I think I still will all the same: -

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https://youtube.com/shorts/gnjNXW68ibA?feature=share

 

LOL...young ones didnt behave like Ali in Jersey Joe's time LOL

 

Basically proof that Douglas shouldn't have.

 

Some of the funniest **** I've ever seen on here

Perhaps Jesus is already back and walking among us.

Reiss might be able to get a job coaching people out of their coma or perhaps even resurrecting the freshly dead. The potential is endless.

Maybe he had a couple of smelling salt capsules hidden in his mouth just waiting for Fury to hit the canvas unconscious. When he did Reiss gets down close to his face, bites into the caps and breathes all that that valuable wake me up into his lungs while counting.

How do you think he would have went with poor Mike Quarry? Even money or a sure thang?

 

Most posters in here know that if we go back thru history a great many counts will be closer to 13 actual seconds than 10.

The main thing regarding Tyson - Douglas is that Tyson received the exact length of count that Douglas did when he got dropped at the end of the fight, around 13-14 seconds.

Now if Tysons count was about 10-11 actual seconds i'd be whinging and whining too but it wasn't which proves there is no malice or fix in play. Counts a few seconds over 10 are a dime a dozen.

 

Answer the question I asked: How many refs have gotten down on their knees and shouted the count into a fallen fighter's face?