Ultimate record; most proven fighter

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  1. McGrain

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    I mean...he could be considered a worthy mention in this thread his own self :lol:
     
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  2. essexboy

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    Apparently he was a real hardnut, must have been with a resume including that lot.
     
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  3. Manassa

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    Excuse me, I would like some acknowledgement for winning the thread please :D

    In all seriousness, I don't think this can be beaten because it has both quality at the top end and quantity with the contenders. Actually it can be equalled, but Angott is my pick for #1 (only yesterday it was Moore, so upon further investigation I might choose someone else).

    I think the series with a prime Ray Robinson, who was bigger than Angott, is the clincher. It's worth even more than Archie Moore fighting Ezzard Charles. It's more like Bob Foster facing Muhammad Ali three times.
     
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  4. essexboy

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    Congratulations, someone get this man a medal immediately. :lol:
     
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  5. Manassa

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    It would be nice, I had to ****ing trawl through a load of records for that.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    Well there was no Ring rankings for a swathe of Greb's career, and nor were they anything like perfected. Greb certainly has far superior top line competition and his second tier comprises of some of the best from three divisions. I wouldn't go pinning the medal on your chest quite yet. I like Greb better. And I haven't looked at Langford yet, but he'll have more in the way of top line, too.
     
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  7. essexboy

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    Ive done it meself mate. It is self gratifying though isnt it? :lol:
     
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  8. Manassa

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    Yeah, definitely. I've done quite a few of those comprehensive lists over the last few years. I think I did Jose Napoles, Emile Griffith and Kid Gavilan once in a thread to compare the three.

    No skill involved, just need to look through some **** very carefully.
     
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  9. Manassa

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    What do you mean by top line? I don't think Greb faced anyone who can match Angott's series with Robinson.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    I mean that Greb has advantages in terms of top heavy. When writing out your list you implied tiers by putting a space in between three different section. Greb's list would be very top heavy.

    Agnott has a better pound for pound opponent in Robinson, but it's debateable as to whether or not he had a tougher test than fighting a bigger Gene Tunney. As Janitor pointed out the other day, it may be that no other 160lb fighter in history could have extended light-heavyweight and then heavyweight Tunney so completely.
     
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  11. Manassa

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    I'd say Tunney matched Ike Williams... But Ray Robinson is a bit of a different story. So Angott has the ultimate series at the top, the bit just below that would belong to Greb. But then depth might belong with Angott. I don't ****ing know. Either way, Angott might actually overtake McLarnin as the fighter who crammed in the best opponents in his career.

    Back later.
     
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  12. Unforgiven

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    Ok, since some of these names have been put forward for other resumes, Levinsky also fought :

    Mike McTigue
    Carl Morris x2
    fireman Jim Flynn x3
    Charley Weinert x3
    Homer Smith
    Chuck Wiggins
    Jack Renault
    Jim Coffey x7
    Leo Houck x5

    He fought tough Bartley Madden multiple times, the amateur star Bob McAllister more than once, and others who are possibly worthy of mention.

    Added to the original list I put forth .............

    (Jack Dempsey
    Gene Tunney
    Harry Greb x 6
    Jack Dillon x 10
    Gunboat Smith x 6
    Billy Miske x 4
    Tommy Gibbons
    Georges Carpentier
    Young Stribling
    Jeff Clark
    Ed McGoorty x 3
    Jack (Twin) Sullivan x 2
    Bill Brennan x 4)
    ........... I think it rivals anyone.
     
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  13. Sweet Pea

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    Time for Holman Williams to chime in:

    Archie Moore X2
    Charley Burley X7
    Jake LaMotta
    Lloyd Marshall X3
    Marcel Cerdan
    Eddie Booker X3
    Jose Basora X7
    Cocoa Kid X13
    Bert Lytell X4
    Jack Chase X2
    Aaron Wade X2
    Kid Tunero X4
    Henry Hall X2
    Joe Carter X3
    Steve Belloise
    Jimmy Leto
    Bob Satterfield
    Johnny Green
    Chuck Woods
    Antonio Fernandez X2
    Jackie Burke
    Jack Portney
    Joe Legon
    Izzy Jannazzo X3
    Lew Massey
    Young Gene Buffalo X5
    Sam Baroudi
    Carl Dell
    Eddie Dolan X2
    Frankie Britt X2
    Wildcat Henry
     
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  14. Sweet Pea

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    Lloyd Marshall, anyone?

    Ezzard Charles X3
    Archie Moore X2
    Charley Burley
    Holman Williams X3
    Jake LaMotta
    Jimmy Bivins
    Eddie Booker
    Freddie Mills
    Ken Overlin
    Bobo Olson
    Shorty Hogue X2
    Jack Chase X3
    Joe Carter X2
    Joey Maxim
    Lou Brouillard
    Teddy Yarosz X2
    Ceferino Garcia X2
    Harry Matthews
    Irish Bob Murphy
    Oakland Billy Smith
    Ralph DeJohn
    Anton Christoforidis
    Johnny Romero X3
    Joe Kahut
    Nate Bolden X2
    Fitzie Fitzpatrick
    Johnny Rossi
    Joe Reddick
    Don Cockell X2
    Wildcat Henry
     
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  15. SuzieQ49

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    How so? Greb was finished fighting at 32 years old. Archie fought all the way through 46 years old. Archie fought 3 decades worth of contenders/champions while greb only one one decades worth.
     
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