***Updated Ring P4P Rankings***

Spot-on.

Makes you think, huh? :roll:

 

I think Hatton should still be on the list...

 

If he beats Pauli I think he may make a reappearance.

 

i'd say everything sounds perfect.....

pavlik should no longer be there and calderon deserves to be there, and hopkins shouldn't of moved up....

hopefully margarito be the next one gone...

 

wtf :-(

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Cotto's also beaten 8 world champions: Shane Mosley, Zab Judah, Carlos Quintana, Malinaggi, Torres, Carlos Maussa, Demarcus Corley, Lovemore N'dou...fought 9 overall (loss to margarito)

while Hattons only beating 5 world champions: Kostya Tszyu, Maussa, Luis Collazo, Jose Luis Castillo...fought 6 overall (loss to mayweather)

it's obvious who has the better resume between the two.....Cotto has one of the best resumes p4p, if you ask me he should be ranked higher, but i do agree though, Hatton should be there...i think he caught to much heat for losing to a fighter he was supposed to lose to

 

Don't be naive Nallege. That beating unknown champions/fighters argument is overused and overrated. Hell I can do that with just about any boxer in history mate. I can do that with your boy Valero, I can do that with your boy Calzaghe, I can even do that with your boy Mayweather.

Its easy to be selective and pick some "unknown" fighters in a fighter's resume and use that as a way to bash a fighter. I'm sorry if you don't know Sasakul, go do some research on the fighters before jumping into conclusions. The fact is Sasakul was the WBC champ and one of the best fighters, if not the best, at 112 when he fought Pacman. Ask anybody who KNOWS boxing and they'll tell you how good Sasakul was. Just because you don't know the name, doesnt mean you can just pass judgement on them and label them nobodies. Same with Ledwaba, he was a very strong champion who was the HEAVY favorite against Pac. Again do some research on these guys.

Now if you add those guys with the 3 great mexicans(Barrera, Morales and Marquez) who were also the BEST at the time Pac fought them. There's no denying that Pac has one the strongest resumes in the past 10 years. Just because some people are opposing your views of Pac, doesnt mean you can do a 180 turn and go to every thread involving Pac and call him a fraud or whatever. That's a sign of being a loser.

Anyway decent list from the RING but my P4P list goes like this:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Christian Mijares
6. Israel Vazquez
7. Antonio Margarito
8. Rafael Marquez
9. Ivan Calderon
10. Miguel Cotto

 

Mexicans know how to box, BOY!

 

Didn't Vince Phillips beat Tszyu for a belt? If so, that's another 'champ' Ricky Hatton has beaten. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Jus think Hatton, regardless opf what you think of the Collazo fight, he's a two-weight World champion who's beaten some very good names.....moreso than Margarito, who has ONE great name on his list.

I don't think Margarito SHOULDN'T be one there; he's tough as Hell. Just think it's a shame that Hatton left after one loss to a no.1 P4P guy and Cotto remains after a loss to a guy barely in the top 20.

 

with bernard win, i think it should push calzaghe to #1

 

they weren't belt holders when cotto fought those fighters. in hattons case they were with the exsception of castillo. hatton making p4p #3 koysta quit is a much better win than anything cottos done. his best win is a very close win over an old mosely.

 

If you're just counting anyone who's picked up a belt (which apparantly you are), then Lazcano, Phillips and Pendleton need to be added to Hatton's list, which makes it 8 each. Personally, I wouldn't put too much credit in beating people who had won titles so long ago, but then neither would I credit too much for Cotto beating the likes of Quintana or Ndou, who happened to pick up a belt at some point after losing to Cotto but lost it again next fight.

Also worth noting that none of the people Cotto beat were World Champions at the time, whereas Tszyu, Maussa and Collazo were for Hatton. And Quintana, Malignaggi, Torres, Maussa and Ndou had not been World Champions at the time Cotto beat them, they picked up belts later.

Overall, Hatton has the more highly rated wins, and a more justifiable defeat.

 

dont down play what they're doing by saying "anyone who's picked up a belt", becoming a world champion isn't something every fighter does....

and @ the person who said they weren't belt holders, who cares?... did i ever say they were?, it doesn't change the fact the at the end of the day they're world champions, the only way it would matter is if i said he took belts from those fighters, which i didn't

but moving on....as for Lazcana, Phillips etc. etc.....when most people say "world champions" they mean the owners of the "4 major champision belts", WBO, WBA, WBC, or IBF...thats what i was getting at, not the small orginazation belts such as IBA, WBF, or WBU etc etc....(which is what you were apparently counting for Lazcana), but you were right about Phillips and Pendleton, never noticed...

so my bad that brings him to 7, still 1 shy of cotto though....so either Cotto's still beaten more

and you can say the win over Kostya Tsyzu's bigger but.....thats just your opinion, i beleive Cotto's win over Mosley's bigger since Mosley's had a better career and he is still fighting, went on to KO mayorga....while that was Tsyzu's last fight

and as for the loss, obviously there's not merit and losing to Mayweather but.....you think Hatton would make it to 11th against Margarito?, because i surely dont....

but i'd say the biggest thing that makes me thin k Cotto has the better resume is the fact that Cotto only has 33 fights, only been fighting since the the only early 2000's and he's already fought that many notable opponents....where as Hatton has what nearly 50 fights?, been fighting since the late 90's?.....ya know, he's already said he's only got a few fights left in him

so lets just say that right now, Cotto n Hatton's resume are very close one could say Cotto has a better resume and one could say Hattons resume is better....but Cotto's still in his prime and presumably has years worth of big fights left in him, maybe thats why Ring has him so high in comparison to Hatton.....

or it could be that Cotto's in a much more dangerous divison then Hatton is...who knows, i like both fighters, and i think they both have respectable careers, and as i've stated before Hatton should be higher on the list, and i think that once Margarito loses (which i'm sure he will sooner or later) or Hatton beats Paulie he'll be back in the top 10...

 

Oh, you are correct on Lazcano, I was assuming the same definition as you, but misread Lazcano's record (too many damn combinations of letters!)

Thanks for the reply, those are reasonable points. I definately place less empahasis on number of world titleists beaten, as that is a factor that can come down to how many are available. Average fighters may pick up a title belt in a fluid division, whereas they would not have a chance in a division with a dominant champion.

I place more emphasis on quality of opponents beat, so obviously disagree with you as to Mosley being a better win than Tszyu. That's a matter of opinion though.

I agree Hatton would struggle with Margarito. That would mainly be a factor of size though, he seemingly struggles with any legit top class 147 lber for exactly that reason. How that factors into P4P discussions is again an arguable point.

Thanks again for the reply.

 

Would struggle?!?!?1 I'm a huge fan of Ricky's, but honestly.....Margo would win 100%, and I think most people would assume that's the case. I mean....how would Hatton win?!?!?! I wouldn't bet on him against any of the current WW kings, bar Berto, whose inexperience could count against him.