It was boxrec I'm not saying they are perfect but it was giving an indication of how many HWs Usyk has beaten in their top 20 Regardless of how anyone rates those active fighters What is not to be trusted about that? It wasn't necessarily agreeing with the ratings more about who has beaten more of the top rated opposition
That original post is a bunch of nonsense. Ali was 206 against Liston — does anyone think Usyk was below that (in ring weight) when fighting cruiser? for Usyk to try to compete, he’d have to beat Parker, Zhang, Bakole, Kabayel, Ituama, etc. Hell, Opetaia too. ****, probably Bivol and Beterbiev also. Ali fought literally everyone. His only unavenged losses were ones that he just couldn’t due to CTE / early onset Parkinson’s. nobody is going to beat his resume. Not Usyk. Not anybody. The only one who has ever tried to be that goddamn crazy since Ali was Holyfield, who just wasn’t as good (despite his lack of long term health issues). No disrespect to Real Deal here, as brave a man who ever laced ‘em up. sorry. I’m a big Usyk fan. But comparisons to Ali are silly.
Yes, but Ali also had losses and bad fights. And "avenged" isn't a thing. Usyk's flawless march through the crusiers and heavies has been a thing of legend. No moments like these for Usyk... This content is protected This content is protected W2SXApjeBbM This content is protected
No moments like these for Usyk because he's had only 20+ fights. Get him another 30 bouts and I bet he'd lose more than a few. It happened to nearly every boxer in history. Ali is #1. After that, put anyone you like. And I'm nit an Ali fan boy, far from it.
You see, I don't agree. He took on the cream of two divisions in that 23 fights and unified 4 belts. I think he has pretty much proven what he has to, and no, I don't see a guy like Zhang or Bakole knocking him down. He says he is going to fight on, so bookmark the thread and we will talk in a year or two. By the way, I have always maintained that Ali was the greatest at heavy for his absurd amount of good wins--but Usyk's accomplishment of unifying two divisions in the four belt era by going to everyone else's home town and being flawless is something I have not seen,
usyk is not flawless, his opponents are just very flawed. he is an elite fighter, and as the only true elite in the hw division, he naturally rose to the top. but he is not flawless. not only is alis record on another level, but his skills are as well. no knock on usyk, ali was just that good. just watching him execute what knowledgeable people understand as boxing, you can see it.
He's beaten the elite of two divisions, and they will be judged by history. And he'll be fine. With respect, I think you are suffering from two fallacies, here. One is nostalgia, and the other is the paradoxical belief that fighters become great from losing to each other. Why is Frazier great? Because he beat Ali. Why is Foreman great, because he beat Frazier. Why is Ali great? Because he beat Frazier and Forman... Usyk is good enough so that he shatters that. Or you could simplify things...he may not be flawless, but he's had not near disasters agains Henry Cooper and Sonny Banks.
no. i started learning about boxing around 7 yo. started practicing when i was about 11. was learning through sparring and picking his brain with a future world champ at 17. learned more boxing from a coach for us army boxing team at 23. picked the brains of other world ranked ex pros. and all that time til now, more than 50 years, i have studied and followed the careers of the greatest boxers of all the eras that covers. i am not a casual still trying to figure out what boxing is about. i know exactly what level of understanding of the sport you are at, because i was once there too. a long, long, time ago.
Westerners don't accept that Usyk is the GOAT, because he's from the East. They can't stand the fact that he has beaten their best fighters. Usyk is the GOAT, get over it.
I am sorry, but rubbish. I can probably still find the threads where I was trying to tell you how good Usyk was going to be, and you didn't understand, and doubted his ability to compete at heavy. I recall that you did not recognize his talent. Merely pretending to be right isn't the same as being right. There really is nothing further to say.
again, no. i did not doubt his talent, i doubted his lack of size needed, given the level of talent i saw in him. i have never said he was a bad fighter, i said i didnt thing he was big enough. and i have never denied, as a matter of fact, i have stated purposely that i was wrong about that. now fury or wilder on the other hand, i was saying they were garbage 7 years ago. i said aj was the best of the lot. since then i have volunteered again that i was wrong about aj's heart. and i still may be correct in saying he was the best of that lot 7 years ago, if fury finds the berries to fight him. now if you remember it different, please pull up the posts so we can straighten this out and see whats what.
Bandeedo, I told you that he was going to be undisputed champ, and you said he was going to crash and burn and have interesting fights on the B-side. And yet you make nasty posts bragging about your boxing knowledge, when you were and continue to be manifestly and demonstrably wrong. Please carefully re-read your three posts I re-posted above. Be honest with yourself. You have said he is "Parker level." You have said he is "B-side." You have said Andy Ruiz would beat him. You have no idea what you are talking about, and have no business telling anyone about your vast knowledge. There are dozens more of these ridiculous quotes. Easy enough to find.
It's up to four, because I just re-posted your absurd take that Fat Andy is better than Usyk. They are under posts 40 and 42.
And here is you being you... Maybe he didn't know **** about boxing but he sure knew that Usyk was going further than Ruiz.
