Usyk, Crawford, Inoue - Who is P4P #1? (POLL)

You know I meant Munguia. Stop being a smart ass shadow.

 

On paper, perhaps, but we're comparing fighters P4P, and how they performed, not how their opponents performed.

 

And I'm saying that based off the opponents Usyk impressed me much more than Canelo did. It was a great win for Canelo, but he was what a 5-1 favorite? Canelo winning and knocking down Munguia wasn't a big surprise.

 

I think you understand where I'm coming from. I'm making a strong argument for why Canelo is P4P #1. He performed better in his last 2 fights (clearly) than Usyk did. That's not to disparage Usyk or his fans. I was impressed with what Usyk was able to do vs Fury, but it was not as dominant or as impressive start to finish as what Canelo did to Munguia. Canelo dominated Jermell Charlo, who, while smaller, was borderline P4P Top 10 and clearly better and more accomplished than Dubois. Usyk needed saving by the ref to avoid a KD, possible KO.

By the way, this is the challenge of trying to rate Heavyweights P4P. It's very difficult. Now granted, what Usyk has done is impressive. But he was not as impressive as Canelo has been in his last 2 fights, and it's hard to argue that Dubois and a past it Fury coming off a lackluster performance are better opponents than Charlo and Munguia. Certainly Dubois is not as good as Charlo or Munguia, Fury at his peak is better than both of them, but he's not longer at his peak, so we need to take that into consideration.

 

That looked like peak Fury to me bro. Charlo was not a good win, charlo was a 154 pounder who never fought at 168. He looked bloated and it played out exactly how everybody thought it was. I'm going to compare the way they both looked in their last performance and imo Usyk looked more impressive against a better opponent on that day which was Tyson Fury. That was high level stuff we saw from both guys on Saturday.

 

Ok you win Shadow. Munguia and Charlo are better wins than Fury and Joshua lol.

 

Fair enough, Usyk impressed me too, but in a resiliency / heart of a champion sort of way. Canelo didn't have to overcome the kind of adversity Usyk had to. He was in control throughout, whereas Usyk was in trouble and had to dig down deep.

P4P is about rating who is a better fighter, not who suffers more adversity and has to overcome. If you're arguing who has more resiliency, who is more of a warrior, who has more fighting spirit, I would say Usyk. But who's a better actual fighter, who has better skills, defense, etc. Canelo.

 

Joshua is a tough one, because he didn't perform well in the first fight against Usyk, but in the rematch he gave a great account of himself. He gave Usyk problems in the rematch, while Canelo had his way with John Ryder. Some rated Ryder, but AJ at his best is way better than Ryder.

 

P4P is about resume as well and how you performed against your opponent(s), not just skills. If Canelo was to beat Benevidez then I'd have to consider Canelo as a P4P #1 Candidate, but who knows if we'll ever see that fight. Beating Crawford won't put him over Usyk either.

 

If it's about resume, then Canelo destroys Usyk lol. You won't consider Canelo P4P #1 unless he fights Benavidez? Benavidez isn't even in the P4P discussion. Crawford is arguably P4P #1 himself, but to you Canelo beating P4P #1 won't move the needle lmao.

 

Yeah but Canelo does have alot of close decisions that could have gone against him if youre not being bias. Lol. And Munguia was never a p4p top 10 either, and Fury was so I guess since Usyk who was rated inside the top 3 p4p who just beat Fury who was rated inside the top 10 p4p, just means that Usyk is un arguably the best p4p fighter in the world. I'm glad we cleared that up shadow. Weight classes exist for a reason. But With your logic let's just put Inoue in with Loma and if he wins he's number 1 p4p. Lmao

 

Fury "was" P4P Top 10 at one point, but fell out of it, because . . . it became clear that he was no longer P4P material. He wasn't P4P Top 10 when Usyk beat him, that's for sure. The same argument could be made about Jermell Charlo, who was P4P Top 10 after he beat Castaño. He only fell out due to inactivity, not due to his performances suffering. So Canelo dominated "P4P Top 10 Charlo".

But you're right, Munguia was not P4P Top 10, Fury was at one point, but not when Usyk beat him, Charlo was P4P material after he beat Castaño, the fight before he fought Canelo. This is fun isn't it lol.

 

Well a poster from esb isn't the one who says who's top 10 p4p.. LMAO... And you just love when Canelo drags up fighters, don't you? That's sad shadow.

 

But dren, P4P isn't about "weight" remember, it's how good a fighter is regardless of weight.