Joe was a MASSIVE super middleweight with a chin of steel you can't be serious , tell me you're being serious lmfao
Joe had serious defensive deficiencies and fought pretty bad competition throughout most of his career. I honestly think a lot of great fighters do serious damage to Joe. Not Graham counting sheep damage, but I'd bet he'd get stopped by plenty of guys.
Jackson fought a far higher level of competition than Joe and took his losses at the end of his career. Look at Joe's defense, the way even a shot RJJ was able to drop him. I think, had Joe actually fought good competition many of them would have landed a shot or two Joe wasn't able to take. Simply put, we know Joe had a good chin because we saw him get hit on it. There's a big difference between getting tagged by Mario Veit and a prime RJJ.
Serious defensive deficiencies ? The kid got dropped twice in 44 fights @ 168 lbs and twice in two fights @ 175 lbs at the very end of his career ,that doesn't indicate he had defence problems to me .
He kept his hands pretty far away from his chin, got by more with his chin and a little head movement than blocking and slipping. You'll notice I say Wilder has serious defensive deficiencies for keeping his hands too far away. I guess my instructor beat hand placement into my dead so much I have a hard time overlooking it.
DOUBLE J , this thread fell onto page 2 so I'm just bumping it so you can read my reply to you because you obviously missed it .
Remember what I said about "being quiet when men are talking here Beryl " ? Delete your post and act on my advice ( would be my advice to you ) lol
Yawn ...ok then Jones skipped to L/ Heavy. Toney couldn't drag his arse out of Burger King and followed Roy up to the fat club. Froch lol ...He was beating up polish fireman and wouldn't have dared call out Joe until Joe had retirement whispering in his ear or Carl im afraid would have taken a hell of a shallacking. Benn had been retired by Collins a few years prior to Joe becoming SUPER JOE CALZAGE world champ.
You need to calm down again Beryl or your typing will go to pot and you will start blocking & deflecting again ..FLID lol