Usyk vs Ali

Mark, I’ll tell you again, Bruce Lee was not a pro fighter, he was a Hollywood actor, Van damme was a legit fighter, Euro champ. It’s ok letting shots off in front of a mirror or camera on set, but it’s pathetic to think Bruce could’ve competed at top level

 

Took him 12 rounds to stop a smaller inferior fighter

 

You made it sound like Mildenberger posed a problem for Ali.

He didn't.

Just an exhibition, more or less.

Not in the same league.

 

To save typing it all again....

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/usyk-vs-ali.674364/page-4#post-21290188

 

For 12 rounds ?

 

Notice how Ali always looked good against small and slow plodders.

Ali was gifted for his time regarding height+reach+weight+speed+coordination but he was not that skilled. He relied on his physical attributes (great for the time) much more than his skills.

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Ali was a small man bully just like:

Foreman.
Bowe.
Lewis.
Klitschko.
Klitschko.
Wilder.
Fury.
Joshua.
Etc.

Feeding on the less physically gifted ones. But in todays division he would not be the bully anymore. He would have to face the bullies instead. And I dont think he would succeed doing so (like Usyk) because of his lack of skills.

 

I suppose Ali was just playing with cooper too, what was it again, he was staring at Liz Taylor’s tits when Henry cooper dropped him.....ffs

 

Yep.

Demonstrating his skills.

Showing off a bit, to be honest.

Just because he spent longer dispatching Mildenberger than he spent with Williams or Folley, doesn't mean Mildenberger troubled him. It was still a one-sided beatdown.

I posted the fight for you to watch.

You have eyes....If you think he was in any way threatened by Mildenberger in that bout, maybe you should book an eye exam.

 

How did that fight end ?

Ali predicted that he'd stop Cooper in five.

Remind me...did he live up to that prediction ?

 

I watched Ali-Liston the other day and Ali looked like a club fighter compared to Usyk, just with great athleticism and physicality for the time.

Ali and boxing nostalgia generally is a cult.

 

Exactly. Fury is not just way bigger than Ali; he is vastly more skilled aswell.

 

This reminds me of a chess match I had with a young fella few years ago. He had been playing for just a year or two and had read a lot of books about chess openings and piece development and such.

Anyway, he made a serious error early in our game and I checkmated him in five or six moves.

He proceeded to lecture me on what I was doing wrong...telling me that I needed to develop my position more before I could attack his king...and so on.


I've heard lots of boxing analysts explain how Ali was doing it all wrong.... he needs to go to the body...he can't just lean back and away from punches, etc, etc...he doesn't have good fundamentals.

Maybe so, but none of that usually mattered. His resume didn't suffer from these deficits.

Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Terrell, Patterson et al discovered that his speed and instincts more than made up for the 'fundamentals.'

As I said in another post, I am warming to Usyk and I already believe he is a HOF fighter even if he never has another bout.

But I wouldn't give him much chance against the Ali of mid to late sixties.

 

Cue the Ali cultist.

Ali's opponents were all rubbish by today's standards and he still lost to loads of them, often needing gift officiating and decisions. Frazier wouldn't be allowed to box at HW today due to being partially sighted, plus he was 5'10 at best and a fat LHW truth be told. His power was poor, couldn't reliably KO bigger men as he could smaller men and big men back then were carthorses. Foreman (who would be a decent puncher today but nothing special) put the chinny Frazier in his place but had a very limited gas tank and was horribly one dimensional. Ali rightly referred to him as "the mummy". Ali was even more featherfisted than Frazier but it didn't matter because a man will fall over himself if exhausted, as Foreman found against Ali and the even lighter puncher Young. Norton arguably beat Ali every time but was chinny as hell, KO'd by any decent puncher inside 2 rounds.

 

Stop sucking Ali off. He had his hands full in the 70’s because the comp was better, majority of the 60’s opponents were small, old, or shot up

 

So educate me then...

Tell me some names at HW who have a better resume.