Valero about to add to Pac’s Legend

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  1. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member

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    even if Pac unifies from lightweight to heavyweight his blind haters will still never give him credit
     
  2. PaoloP4P

    PaoloP4P Member Full Member

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    Big whoop? Why wouldn't it? Pac's career is built on superlatives. Lemme list some "Legendary" feats...

    1) Beat Ledwaba on 2 weeks notice
    2) First to ko EM
    3) 2nd to ko EM....bonus*only one to make EM say no mas
    4) First and (only?) to treat MAB like an amateur chump...and thats in both fights
    5)MAB,EM,JMM in 5 fight span
    6)4(or 5) division champ
    7)5-1-1 against EM-JMM-MAB--->9kds-0 (this in itself is ridiculous)
    8) 106--->135...soon 140, can u say modern day henry armstrong?
    9)... and lil minor things like gym stories u hear from Wildcard and the future champions he spars with.


    ...possibly soon to be added,

    ko'ing ko king Valero
    sending welterweight king Hatton into retirement and...
    winning 5th official division championsip

    ...yeh BIG WHOOP
     
  3. WAR MACHINE

    WAR MACHINE I'll be back! Full Member

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  4. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    An already faded version of Morales mind you. We saw what happened in the first fight, with a nearer to prime version.

    This was the same Morales that was losing to Raheem, hardly as big a feat as you make it.

    The second fight was unimpressive, the first fight being Pac's biggest win by far, as it could at least be argued that Barrera was prime, though definitely not in that particular fight. Hell, a far more faded version fought better in the rematch, which should give you a sense of just how "on" Barrera was the night of the first fight.

    If you count his fights over JMM as actual wins, which many(myself included) do not.

    You're simply stating random facts regarding fights you've already discussed. Virtually everything you've said has to do with those 3(1 of which he didn't legitimately beat, 2 of which were past their prime).


    He started at 106 pounds as a teenager, he wasn't fully developed, and he accomplished nothing early on aside from being embarassingly KO'd by a few no-names. You act as if he won titles and dominated at each weight class between those weights, which clearly isn't the case. His top wins are Sasakul at Flyweight(whom he was getting handily outboxed by before Sasakul got careless), Ledwaba at 122 whom he far out-sized, and the afore-mentioned wins. You act as if he dominated at each weight, when the bulk of his accomplishments are from 122-130. Guys like Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson would've given him an absolute pasting and KO'd him at Flyweight.

    You mean "KO'ing Edwin "The Can Opener" Valero". Valero is awful technically, his power being his only strong point, and even that has yet to be tested at elite level. Any top notch fighter would take Valero out.

    I was unaware that Hatton was a Welterweight "King". And this is yet to be seen if he is capable of accomplishing this. Of course he'll continue to avoid the top guys at LW, instead relying on his win over Diaz as proof that he "conquered" the LW division.

    :good
     
  5. Larson

    Larson Paenkhay Full Member

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    :lol: Sweet Pea that ain't fair.
     
  6. Spitbucket

    Spitbucket Guest

    Don't you worry what others think, as long as Pac keeps winning he'll have fans like you!
     
  7. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    Pacquiao's quality of opposition = The Best in boxing today.
     
  8. PaoloP4P

    PaoloP4P Member Full Member

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    Hey u got some good points there sweetpea (however ill-informed)....but, no matter how you look at it, they're still SUPERLATIVES. Ya know like the "LEGENDARY" Chuck Yeager beating the speed barrier, like the "LEGENDARY" Neil Armstrong landing on the moon.

    ...so yeh big whoop, KO'ing Tomato can-opener Valero, soon to be another scalp in a quite a LEGENDARY superlative career.
     
  9. Kampioni

    Kampioni Good Boy Full Member

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    Pacman would roll Hatton.
    he had a hard time with lazcano, just think of how bad pacquiao will **** him up
     
  10. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I have no problems with anyone calling Pacquiao a great fighter. However technically inferior to certain greats he may be, he makes up for it and has carved out a very nice career for himself. I do however, have a problem with you comparing any of his feats with those you quoted in the first paragraph. That's absurd, and you know it.

    And please don't compare Pacquiao to Armstrong, I don't want to have to "inform" you again, but I will if neccessary. What Armstrong did in a 3 year span was FAR more impressive than anything any Pacquiao or Mayweather(or really pretty much any fighter) has ever accomplished.
     
  11. PaoloP4P

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    I guess you're not familiar with the literary tool called hyperbole, but by all means, inform me all you want. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself. You can belittle Pac's accomplishments all you want, but at the end of the day his resume speaks for itself and I'll venture to say that one day years down the road you'll be at a starbux reading an issue of Ring magazine with and lo and behold! Ther'll be an article dedicated to the "Legendary" Pac and even if its a footnote ther'd be a tidbit about Pac ko'ing Valero, the tomato can opener.

    for real man, u must think 6800 posts means u got some clout here, but based on the drivel u been posting u have about as much clout over me as the Queen of England<---(this is called a metaphor)

    Im not gonna rag on u too much coz u like SweetPea but

    .... get over yourself
     
  12. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Nah . . . Valero is not somebody who's gonna be a big addition to Pac's resume. He is a dangerous fighter with power that's all . . . if Pac beats him then Pac simply stops the Valero HYPE . . . no big deal.

    . . . buuuuuuuuut if by any means he beats Pac then a new boxing sensation has been born.
     
  13. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Take a pill kid, I'd say you're reading a bit much into it, considering you were the first to taunt.

    And? How many fighters have they done that for?

    De-frauding your post was drivel? Really? Considering the following posts from posters not involved in the argument, I'd say they agreed more with me than you, laughably so.

    And I've got some advice for you, don't take it too seriously and personally when someone tears your boxing views to pieces, you brought it on yourself.
     
  14. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Sorry Pharoah, but Valero isn't an addition to a legacy. As much as you Pac fans want to try to overblow every win he gets, Diaz's and Valero's are just not serious legacy additions. Now a Joan Guzman or a Nate Campbell and the like certainly would be, so 'get real' with stating that people wouldn't give him credit if he actually unified LW, that would be insanity for him to do such.
     
  15. Lance_Uppercut

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    What good does beating Guzman really do for Pac? What's Guzman done since leaving jr.FW? Beating Humberto Soto? Well, it's a good win. But what else? If Pac beat him, all he'd do is beat a guy who was bad ass @ 122. You don't see Hopkins wins over Tito or DLH as anything at all. Why is beating Guzman a LEGACY win for Pac?