Vintage 147 Montreal Duran vs. PBF. Who and how?

I'd agree but to me pac proved himself formidable at ww already.

As I said, he isn't imo a great ww. I just think he's one of the most complete ww's out there.

Gatti wasn't in the last 5 year was he?

 

Formidable as in good enough to beat Cotto clearly, which was a great win against a decent fighter but he hasn't looked too good in his other fights and against washed up fighters.

Bottom line is Pac and Marquez have hardly done anything around 147 of real note.

Anyway Floyd hasn't fought Manny so that's of no consequence as of right now, i just don't agree that Marquez giving pac a tough fight at 147 suddenly validates mayweather's win over him.Sure it keeps it from looking totally ridiculous as would have been the case had Manny pulverised him, but it's a fight of more worth in looking into the two smaller mens' overall career arcs than anything to do with a 147 Mayweather imo.

Myself i think it just makes Pac look bad and in decline for struggling with someone for a third time who is well out of their natural weight and comfort zone and who had been taking so many punches against modestly skilled opposition recently.Manny was meant to be supe improved at 140 and 147, which has turned out not to really be the case.He's just a better fighter at those weights than a faded Hatton or Cotto, which is pretty damn impressive in itself.

 

I am not comparing the lightweight Duran to the 89 Duran. I just made the point about Ray and when he fought his fight it doesn't matter what year it is, he won easily when he fought Roberto Duran.

 

Well it's probably the worst point ever made considering ray didn't win easily in montreal.

 

I'm talkin more with respect to the current times.

Floyd and pac are clear top 2 at ww. After being dominated by floyd, marquez fought even with pac. It's all part of the backstory etc.

All time it means little though.

 

I agree. Ray lost that first fight!

 

I know Ray lost that first fight. I should have said Ray won the fights he fought his fight. Fight two and three. And yes I think the fight in 1989 was significant. Roberto was still a decent fighter in December of 1989. Ray was the one who people were saying was wearing out after the Hearns fight in June of 1989 where Thomas knocked down Ray two times.

 

To me it's a win that is worth noting, but not a win that really counts much towards either man's legacy. The two earlier fights are much more worthwile in that regard.

I do remember many people giving Duran a very legitimate shot in the third fight.
I think it was Gil Clancy who remarked that Duran seemed fresher and faster than either Ray or Tommy. James Dusgate, a noted Duran reporter, also gave Duran an excellent chance of pulling off another win over Leonard.
It was by no means seen as a given.

 

Gil Clancy was a legendary guy, but sometimes even legends say stuff which is not correct. He said before Hearns fought Ray in the rematch, "Ray is big and strong and I see him looking to bull Tommy around the ring." Didn't happen. Gil got too much into the hype of previous fights instead of using the whole fighters career. I loved Gil Clancy and Tim Ryan's commentary with Al Bernstein. Some great stuff. They analyzed fights so well. Learned more watching them than any other commentators.
Had Tommy won the decision against Ray (which he should have) there might have been a Hearns/Duran 2. I wanted it badly. I knew Tommy would stop Duran again, but less spectacularly. I didn't think he was as sharp or fast as he was in 1984 to stop Roberto in 2, but I thought more like 5 or 6 with Duran swelled up. Duran could not beat Hearns ever or avoid being hit with the right, and I think Duran knew it after that first fight. He never really looked for that fight.

 

It's amazing to me that people are actually picking PBF to win... I just don't see it, no way, no how. Will Floyd make it a fight.. sure... nobody steamrolls Floyd at any weight. That said, PBF has NEVER faced anybody like Floyd.. While Duran HAS faced people better than Floyd and did okay. PBF has about a 20% chance to win, and that is being generous.

 

If you took both fighters Duran and Mayweather at 35 yrs old then I could see Mayweather winning. Not a lock by any means. Duran didnt have the same speed or apply the same pressure. Floyd would have the time and room to pick his shots without the roof collapsing on him.

Duran had twice as many miles on his Odometer by the time both were in the mid 30s. Mayweather is alot fresher.

Ofcourse if Mayweather had started fighting guys like Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler and Benitez from the time he turned 30 he might have been retired long before he got to 35 years old.

 

One more time as this is the FIFTH TIME I'M REQUESTING THAT YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION,.Do you believe that the Montreal Duran would have beaten Kirkland Laing?Would you mind stop completely avoiding the question and answer,please?Ps,all you have to do is look at Duran's body to see that after 147 the weight he was putting on was fat as his muscle definition was disappearing.Duran had almost exactly the same body dimensions as Julio Cesar Chavez abd we never saw Chavez at 154 and up,did we?