This 'cards' concept really has to be explained time and time again to Klit-ites doesn't it.... VITLAY himself made the cards irrelevent when he quit, simple as that. He chose to lose, because deep down he's a playground bully who can dish it out but can't take it - and when you can't take any more against Chris Byrd then that **** tends to stick.
Being ahead whilst quitting with two rounds left makes LESS sense than qutting whilst behind with two rounds left.
:good Especially when that much smaller opponent has such a weak punch he couldn't knock a sick infant off a potty seat.
Vitali is no Ali he is easier to hit and Liston has long arms and an awful lot of power, I say Liston.
I have never been a fan of vitali but I am coming to accept he is a hard man to beat since he refuses to lead. refuses to exchange or step up unless the guy is helpless. his brother is even more cautious. Liston at least went for it but does vitaly tick all the boxes for a certain ko win for sonny? I think not. hes not lighter than sonny. hes not shorter and his reach is comparable to sonny's. a lot of what klitcschko brings to the table is a winning formular when you have height weight and reach on your opponent. both guys quit but both showed bravery also. both are strong and both like things in their favour. its a prety even fight. liston was decked by marshal and ali so he could be hurt. klitchsko could be cut. I think vitaly was taken to the edge and burriedthe demons of his own quitjob against sanders. i lean toward klit but id love sonny to blast him.
Liston by ko. I don't think this would last Long because of vitali's cut problem. he would be cut to shreds with sonnys punches.
Difficult these comparisons with HW boxing, due to pure difference in size. No doubt VK would win, awkward style, very very hard puncher!, with huge size advantage.
I have to beg to differ there. Liston beat the best fighters of his era and dominated most of them. Vitally has picked up some decent scalps but his resume is more about who he didn't beat in his era than who he did. It basicaly turns on how you rate Corrie Sanders, Kirk Johnson and Sam Peter
I don't agree with every single thing said here, but on the whole this is a good point. There's certainly valid criticisms that can be made of Vitali, but the double standard shown here when comparing him to Liston is blatant and absurd.
Not quite true. The best fighters of Liston's era were Patterson, Ali, and Johansson, and he only beat one of them. The notion that Liston "beat the best" or "cleaned out" his era is something of a myth used to exaggerate his legacy today.
OK well Patterson who you acknowledge as one of the three couldnt get out of the first round against him in two outings. He was probably somewhat better than the version of Michael Spinks that Mike Tyson beat at this stage. Liston offered to fight Floyd Patterson and Ingemar Johansen back to back on the same night, but Johansen could not be persuaded to take part. Ali acording to most people on this site is the greatest heavyweight of all time, and Liston basicaly took the first fight with one arm out of action. If Liston was a bully he was certainly a verry confident one. Now a list of the top contenders of Vitally Klitschko's era that he did not beat would be a verry long one indeed. It might seem harsh to list every top fighter that he did not face during his career, but that is basicaly what we do for the old timers.
Your post is a myth. Liston cleaned out the era from 1958-1963. late 50s-early 60s belonged to liston. Ali was not apart of that era. Liston beat 4 out of the 5 best heavyweights of the era Floyd Patterson, Eddie Machen, Zora Folley, and Cleveland Williams. All of these men were in their primes. The only one he missed out, johansson, avoided fighting Liston. Name me 5 heavyweight champions who defeated 4 of the 5 best heavyweights of their era?