I have all that footage on tape....... Quality stuff there........ BUT! As you said, them dudes are not in the same class as "Lewis or Klit." In a way it would be like saying Sammy Peter can easily handle tall guys cuz he KO'd 6' 10" Julius Long in one round on ESPN....... I have that farce on tape....... I'll swear to God and sonny Jesus that Jules Long froze like a rabbit and willfully dropped to the floor upon being love tapped by Peter..... A smelly "Tank Job" there...... A horrid match overall...... However, that's typical for ESPN... MR.BILLdeal:bbb:hat
Julius Long is possibly the most fragile fighter I've ever seen. You wouldn't expect an over 7 feet tall, 250-300 lb fighter to be flattened on the canvas but Long is in almost every single one of his fights. Peter did struggle with B-class Jameel McCline, the only half-decent super heavyweight he fought outside of the Klitschko brothers (whom he lost to). The rest of his opponents were around 6 feet tall overweight fighters. I think he would be troubled by the likes of Tony Thompson also because he is slow, crude and easy to hit. He really doesn't have any of the skill to make his way in close in order to use that vaunted strength of his. He'll just keep plodding forward and eat jabs with no plan B. Now Liston was criticized for being slow but atleast in his case it took a young Ali to make him look slow in comparison.
V Klit beats the crap out of any version of Liston Liston does slightly better than Rahman with his better jab but still cant put a dent in the Klit and gets worn down and stopped around round 10
This whole thread is proof that you can be a fan of boxing, follow it closely, even devolop some factual knowledge about it, enjoy it enough to join a forum to talk about it, and still have absolutely zero instincts for the sport, and no ability to discern the quality of what you are watching at all. Sorry guys, bust most of you are borderline ******ed. :yep
Actually I have an excellent record in picking fights, much above the average. Im no student of the old-timers but V Klit is very underrated , hes horrible to watch but has there ever been a HW so champ so hard to hit, aside from his other physical advantages? Liston that Ali fought gets knocked out mid to late, younger faster Liston would make it a good fight.
Shame you don't study the modern fighters like you do the old guys. If you did you'd know that VITLAY never fought Rahman - in fact he shamelessly ducked him
Did he, fark I forgot they didn't fight, tbh Ive been out of the loop for a few weeks and havent watched much boxing for a while due to busy weekends, when I get into the groove I usually pick em pretty well hehe Feeble excuse, Ill quit the thread while Im behind but I think the point stands. I think a prime Rahman and mid 1960s Sonny Liston are quite similar actually, Liston a better jab and more game on the inside but similar styles and build and both with good reach for their height.
Oh yes, what kind of moron could possibly think, even for a second, that a giant boxer who: barely ever gets hit flush, has never been KDed, never been behind on the cards in a fight owns the highest KO% in history and who dominates the best available opposition into his late 30s could, under any circumstances, hope to be a match for a man who is half a foot shorter, 30 pounds lighter, with questionable heart, who never beat an ATG himself, missed out on 50 years of boxing and training evolution, who was used to beating up on cruiserweights, and who never even saw an opponent anywhere near the size of Vitali. :hat
so while VK leans back further away his shorter reach is more effective??? Liston was not only a great jabber but a brutal body puncher. Liston is not head hunting hes jabbing at VKs chest and ripping into his long midsection
I suspect you're taking the ****, I really don't know where to start with all that bull**** For a start he was legitimately KD'd against fossil Sanders. Barely gets hit flush? Watch the first round of his fight with bum Hide, and pretty much every round against Lewis, not to mention his last couple of rounds with the HW killer that is Chris Byrd VITLAYS record is all smoke and mirrrors...when it comes down to the final analysis the facts will speak for themselves, he had 2 fights against 2 decent fighters and lost them both. Sure he dominated bums for the rest of the time, but so ****ing what?
Yeah, he should have sought out that group of chinny cruiserweights upon which Liston made his legacy. Then he would have beaten some true greats. Please, please, please, can we bring up the great hunk of man meat "Big Cat" Williams and talk of his dimensions and physique? Whilst not mentioning that he couldn't really fight? That's my favorite turn of discussion in these matters.