Would vitali be bigger and stronger if he were not on steroids? I think liston on steroids is much stronger than vitali. As far as durability is concerned, vitali is untested....and don't bring up corrie sanders, who was 39 years old out of shape and had no power/stamina left after 2 rounds(in which he did real well vs vitali argueably flooring him)........
I think the left hands Byrd was nailing him with had a lot to do with it. Thats no more speculative that this crap about how much pain you think klitschko was in and what he round he got injured. He quit, thats the truth :deal
This is so much Klitschkonian drivel, man what happened to you? You act like Lewis almost ripping his face off was a fluke, he 'pulled it out of his ass', no less. And Lewis had "better boxing ability" than Sonny Liston? Ive never heard any knowledgable person even claim this. Because he quit. In a fight you yourself claim he was domainating. Simple enough?
Another poster already pointed out that evidence on film showed a translater discussing Vitali's shoulder injury from round 3 onward. Ask Mendoza to show proof of it, if you still don't believe it. If you've ever had a rotator cuff injury ( and I'm guessing you haven't ), its not like suffering a splinter in your finger. It hurts like hell, and basically limits or completely takes away the use of that particular arm. Can you imagine how much the effects must be amplified when you're in a boxing ring over several rounds, blocking and throwing punches? The guy had to be in so much pain, its incredible. And, what reason did he have to quit against Byrd? He was winning nearly every single round. You say I'm speculating here, but frankly, I think anyone who believes that a rotator cuff injury is caused by taking shots to the arm from Chris Byrd is the one who's imagining things.......
I think you've witnessed enough of my debates on the General forum to know that I am no nuthugger of Klitschko's. It wasn't a fluke, but he was fortunate that things panned out when and how they did. Another round of the kind of beating that he was taking, and who knows what might have happened. People who were at ringside, said that they had never seen Lewis so exhausted or overwhelmed in his life. Sure, he was past his prime, but he in no way shape or form dominated his opponent that evening. You've heard one say it now. Weather you think I'm knowledgable or not is up to you to decide, but personally I have seen Lewis outbox a lot more ranked fighters than I have seen Liston outbox. Sonny was most successful with who he was capable of utterly destroying, and not necessarily outpointing over many rounds. No it isn't simple enough. He quit because of a serious injury that he had sustained earlier in the fight, which had nothing to do with Chris Byrd's efforts. Saying that Byrd caused that injury is like saying that the President of the United States has control over when it rains, snows, etc.
I have seen liston outboxed in his prime. I have seen Lennox outboxed by 36 year old Ray mercer and 33 year old Frank Bruno.
How are you so sure? Chris bryd is very good defensivley, is it not possible that vitali injured his shoulder missing bryd with one of his punches? Also is it just a coincidence that another fighter who faced bryd....evander holyfield.......suffered a TORN rotator cuff injury early on against bryd, yet guess what holyfield fought for the whole 12 rounds with the injury? what does that tell you? Is it just a coincidence two different fighters suffered rotator cuff injuries vs bryd? I think not, it was because of bryds defense
These goons were in here the other day claiming the chances of Klitschko and Liston being on the juice were about the same
Walcott and Moore kept themselves in GREAT fighting shape at their advanced age, and kept active fighting within months of fighting marciano. Sanders showed up overweight, out of shape, had no stamina left after 2 rounds, and had been inactive for over 1 year. Now if moore or walcott came into the marciano fights in this kind of shape, I would totally degrade marcianos wins over these guys. Don't tell me your one of those who think of sanders as a freak of nature one of a kind. Outside of Wlad, Sanders has absolutley jack **** on his resume, which downgrades wlad more than anything. Sanders was knocked out by nate tubbs and hasim rahman. sanders was viewed as a tuneup for wlad, nothing more than a old journeyman in boxing experts minds, yet after his Kayo of wlad wlad fans feel the need to pump up sanders as some freak of nature world beater.
33? Bruno was born in November of 1961, and fought Lewis in October of 1993. So how old would that make him Suzie? Common, you're 21 years old now. Counting should be pretty easy. Bruno had his best career win yet to come against Oliver McCall. Bruno fought well against Lewis, but didn't finish the marathon. Lennox clobbered him. He also looked unimpressive against Mercer, but was not outboxed.
He got booted off the UKRAINIAN Olympic team for juicing, do you have any idea how guilty that makes you? Its like being condemned by the Chinese for human rights abuses.