Wake up: V. Klit is a solid top-10 ATG!

I am ranking them head to head. I put "resume - Vitali fail" up top to get it right out in front and out of the way early.

Do you consider peak Tyson to be the 14th hardest to beat heavyweight to ever step into the ring? Because that is what I am talking about here.

Why is it a given that Byrd wouldn't have lasted 9 rounds? Abe Simon went 13. Bob Pastor went 11. And 174 pound Billy Conn was miles ahead on points at round 13. But Chris Byrd "would not have made it 9 rounds" stated like it's a fact? And I'm the dreamer? atsch

What is there to suggest he wouldn't have? Did he ever fail to turn up in shape? No. Did his style require him to absorb a lot of punishment? No. Would he still have his size advantage? It would be twice as big then. Were any of Louis' opposition anywhere near as formidable as 37 year old Lennox? No.

Why not? I back him to not need a third match against Frazier. Would he have won 21 straight in Holmes era? Barring injury, I think so. Beaten Foreman past-prime on foreign grounds? He has proven to age well, and since when was Zaire "foreign grounds" to Ali? That's like saying Germany is "foreign grounds" to Wlad.

:hat

 

Schmeling and Patterson should be Top15.

 

apples and oranges
chavez was the smaller guy and never a welterweight and 5 foot 7 to DLH 5 foot 11, 10 years older , over 100 fights and got his ass beat by a faster , stronger fresher YOUNG guy and wasnt going to win and was bleeding out of his brows and his lip was spilt a mile wide open
vitali is 6 inches taller and 35 pounds heavier than Byrd...he was winning and hadnt taken any punishment and had 3 rounds left
thats about the worst comparison i have ever seen on here :rofl:rofl

 

You didn´t really post that, did you? :admin

 

No because none of this is what you originally stated.

 

Walker is up there with those guys mentioned. When Schmeling faced him he was the number two hw.

 

H2h is pure speculation. Basing lists on speculation makes them void IMO.

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Vitali proved he can beat bums. Great. congratulation. This means nothing when you put him in with atgs. Tyson´s career proves it.

All this is just speculation on your part. Rendering this void. Would any hw not named Tyson KO Spinks in one? Probably not, nevertheless Tyson lost to Holy and Lewis and Douglas.

Would Vitali be able to do what Louis did? Or Ali? Or Lewis? Or Holmes?

 

No. What is the point of this discussion if we are only talking head-to-head and not with a full range of criteria?

How many other's stopped those men combined? Simon had only been stopped on his feet by Buddy Baer, and Simon also lost to Louis in 6. Pastor never stopped before that. Conn was an ATG boxer and also lost to Louis in 8.

Simon had a great chin, look at some of the shots he took from Louis in the second fight. Some murderous punches and he was all over the place at times. He also pressed Louis for large periods and put him on the back foot to take away some of the Louis' power. Can you imagine Chris Byrd taking those punches? Can you imagine him on the back foot trying to pick off brutal combinations from one of the best composite punchers of all-time?

Did Vitali beat a 37 year old Lennox? No. Rather than trying to find reasons to suggest he wouldn't, how about reasons to suggest he can? What makes you think he can fight that hard and that often when he quit when his body broke down after getting dropped by Butler in sparring?

Did I miss something? Did Ali fight out of Zaire his whole career then? Whatever it may be, you think Vitali could go into a fight past his prime like that and come out the victor against a prime George Foreman? You think he beats FOTC Frazier, when has he faced anyone the quality of Frazier.

Smokin' Joe faced a guy that night who knew how to use his reach and range, who had a great jab, who could absorb punishment, who was confident, who was awkward and who was a helluva lot faster and he beat him. When has Vitali beaten somebody who combines the heart, the stamina, the punch-output, the physicality, the power, the head-movement and forces the pace as much as a prime Frazier does?

 

The title was decieving, I though you meant top 10 p4p of all time, if that were the case you should be sectioned.
Top 10 atg heavyweight is a bit less controversial, but I would say he's a bit outside that list

 

Can I ask what your criteria is?