Wake up: V. Klit is a solid top-10 ATG!

Then you won't have any problems giving examples.

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Well, in matching all time great fighters head to head you've listed looking "smug" and "speaking a foriegn language" as factors in determining the outcome of top echelon boxing. I find it laughable. Of course you're not going to get a serious response.

He's less small next to Vitali than Chagaev is next to Valuev.

But i'm glad you've admitted this, at least. The forum is full of guys that make the pick based entirely upon size, which is silly, but they pull contortionists tricks of rhetoric to avoid admitting that's why they've made the pick. So fair play to you for admitting it, but you're still woefully wrong.

This is complete nonsense. Foreman didn't "collapse" because "things weren't going his way" he collapsed because of one of the most perfect right hands in the history of HW boxing. He collapsed, because he had questionable stamina and was made to work. He collapsed because he was entirely out-boxed and out-fought. The very idea that you're pinning this loss on "Ali's self confidence...stream of in-ring chatter" in the above statement is entirely spastic. Ali hit Foreman with masses of shots and knocked him out. These shots would have landed had Ali never spoken, and had the same affect. Foreman would have boxed NO DIFFERENTLY had Ali not had the appearance of great confidence. The physics in the punches that landed would have had the same affect.

I don't know.

I do know that Walcott and Charles likely would lhave been favourite to beat every single man Vitali faced aside from Lennox Lewis, fighting under similar conditions.

They might not have "won every round", but I would imagine they would do very very well against Vitali's competition, and may actually do better than the man himself.




The bottom line is, there are some strange things going on in your posts about Vitali. You've got him "fighting everyone he could", when it's clearly not true. You've got his linguistic abilities acting as an intamadatory factor for men like Joe Frazier and Jack Johnson (or some other ATG heavy).

I agree with you that Vitali would be a handful for any fighter in history. I also think that you are squirreling around for intangibles to artificilly inflate his standing, which I don't like at all.

You need to stop asking if guys like Ali and Foreman could win as many rounds as he has versus pitiful (ATG status, the guys he beat were good) opposition and start asking how he would have done against the ATG's these fighters beat.

You are entitled to your opinion, and will often find for Vitali, i'm sure, but what you need to keep in mind is, there is basically nothing to back your assertions apart from your analysts eye - in other words, your opinion.

The men you are stacking him against have proven themselves.

 

You are the only person who thinks so, and interestingly, you don't have a list.

There is no room for both of these guys in any top 15. I question the inclusion of one of them.

 

Without looking, yes

 

I don't actually agree that Vitali does do more harm with a single right hand than Vitali.

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