Wake up: V. Klit is a solid top-10 ATG!

I humbly apologize for not having a blinding man-love for Vitali Klitschko, one of my favorite active fighters. Ironic, no? Alas, I was foolish to have disagreed with your degree of worship. Have a great day.

 

Very good post:good

 

Billl, good job with the sizzling topic. Brothers Klit have been @ the top of the heap for a few years of an uninspired heavyweight division. Not all that impressive till you realize that there are 6.84 billion people on earth these days. Even taking out of the equation: The old and the young, the women and the under 200 lb., honestly, what are the odds that the list of current heavyweight fighters are as bad some think?

 

Based on what :huh

Foreman won the title again when he was 5 years older, Lewis beat prime VITLAY when he was pushing 38....VITLAY is just beating up on bums for Gods sake atsch

 

Well, I've only said about five times now that I'm purely talking head to head, and Vitali doesn't crack the top 10 for greatness.

Let's run your examples for how effective Louis was through a relentlessly negative filter.

How many others stopped Cris Arreola, Sam Peter, Kirk Johnson or Larry Donald? None. If Louis gets any credit at all for stopping 180 pound, 4x defeated Pastor, then why the **** does Vitali not get any credit for not losing a single round while stopping top contenders Arreola, Peter and Johnson?

And Conn may have been an ATG, but he weighed in at 174 pounds. Michael Spinks was more of an ATG and weighed in at 212 pounds, he got steamrolled in 90 seconds by Tyson, while Louis lost a wide UD by today's rules. Can you honestly see Billy Conn winning a 30 second stretch of the fight against Vitali?

Right, time for more hating.

So Louis got this journeyman badly hurt on more than one occasion, and couldn't get him out of there. I think I'll mark him down for that, since Vitali gets marked down for stopping guys late rather than early.

When he fought Louis the first time, he was coming straight off a loss against 15-11 Jim Thompson. He had also already lost to:

28-7 Eddie Blunt,
28-9, 195 pound Willie Reddish,
9-3, 196 pound Lem Franklin,
13-4 Al Bray
Buddy Baer
and 7-0 Lou Nova.

Be honest with me. How much credit do you give Vitali for winning every round against Abe Simon and stopping him late? No credit at all, is my guess.

Being that Chris Byrd handled David Tua's power easily and never looked troubled, yes I do think he has enough of a beard to compete against Louis. Byrd is very skillful and if little Billy Conn can be miles ahead after 12 rounds then I don't see any reason at all why Chris Byrd couldn't.

His work ethic and willingness to take on all comers are every bit as good as Louis. And most of the bum of the month club would hardly lay a glove on him.

You referred to beating George Foreman while past-prime on foreign ground. Which fight were you referring to if not Ali?

And yes, I think a 32 year old Vitali matches up very well against Foreman. He's bigger. He won't be scared of Foreman like many opponents were. He has a better chin. Foreman's crude slugging will be hard pressed to find Vitali's chin anyway. And if he wins the first three rounds, it's all but over. Foreman was not adaptable, not particularly skilful, and wouldn't have the physical advantages that he generally enjoyed.

And yes, I think he beats FOTC Frazier. Why is this so ludicrous an idea? Frazier had Ali's number stylistically, but aside from that, do you see Vitali doing any worse against Foreman? He couldn't really. Do you see Vitali going life and death with Oscar Bonavena? Really?

Facing Ali isn't the same as fighting Vitali. And just because Ali is much, much greater doesn't mean that Frazier would find him much, much more difficult to beat. Not at all. Frazier took a beating in basically every one of his fights. Sometimes too much of a beating for him to take. The difference against Vitali is, he's going to find himself eating more than usual, and landing less than usual.

Take Ali away and Frazier doesn't make it anywhere near the top 20. Without Ali he has no significant wins, and he was crushed in his prime worse than any other ATG. (Granted, against an ATG opponent.)

Take away Ali from Frazier's record, and it immediately plummets to Vitali level, except Frazier didn't win the rest of his fights anywhere near as convincingly, in fact he struggled mightily with some average opposition. Not only that, but in matchups with other ATGs he is at major physical disadvantages, as compared to Vitali's undeniable physical advantages.

Remove the 3 Ali fights and then look at Frazier's career record. There is NO WAY that you or anyone else here would even SERIOUSLY CONSIDER that he might be able to COMPETE WITH, let alone BEAT, an undefeated prime Ali. You would look at his record and say, "He went life and death with some nobodies and then was utterly destroyed in two rounds by the only great fighter he ever met."

And yet when he got a shot at THE ATG, he beat him.

Why is it such a stupid, unthinkable idea that Vitali the hardworking giant might actually be able to hang with these guys as well?

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I would honestly say he is. vitali only looks so good based on his opponents he's fighting... this division sucks.

 

He beat a prime Evander Holyfield, so yes he is better than all those guys you mentioned, none of whom have a win like that on their record.

 

Blah Blah Blah.....you really do talk bollocks...especially at this time of night.

 

1) Wow, that sure deconstructed my points. Way to convince me that I am wrong and you are correct.

2) It's 2 o' clock in the afternoon here, moron.

3) I wasn't speaking to you to begin with. **** off.

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Nice work, moron....now move along.

I really could tear all your points to pieces but I prefer to just laugh at them, you know nothing my friend.

Feel free to post bile whilst I'm sleeping though, it'll amuse me when I wake up.

PS - Go **** your mother, Klit-ite :yep