Wake up: V. Klit is a solid top-10 ATG!

Doesn't mean he has a bigger frame. And anyway, there are Poles on here who claim Adamek is no more than 6'0½.

Height and reach is a stupid comparison. Pavlik is taller than Tyson, does that make Pavlik the HW and Tyson the MW?

 

Tyson was smaller and had a shorter reach than all his opponents, look at the reign he had.
Holyfield was 3" shorter and had a shorter reach than Bowe, he still won the 2nd fight didn't he?

Anyway, Adamek is about the same height and reach, get your facts straight.

I'm through here, you're either dumb or on the wind up.

 

He's trying, but deep down he knows - Valuev KO1 Adamek, probably even faster than Louis would.

 

ESB is a very strange forum indeed. There are people here that don't seem to understand basic concepts of logic.

Let me explain some things.

1. Can we all agree that today's training methods, medication and nutrition are MUCH better then in the 30-40's?

2. Can we all agree that most things a boxer does in the ring are the result of hard work? What I mean is, even if you get better by training you are born with a certain speed, size, agility, IQ. But the rest you pick up in training. The way you move in the ring, throw a punch, strategy - all from training.

3. Do you think modern trainers look at tapes of old fighters and "steel" some of their tricks?

If you understand all that and have the God given ability TO LOOK AT FIGHTS how can you compare fighters from the 30-40's to modern fighters?

 

It's not unreasonable. And I said some, not all.

Tyson is legendary for the fear he produced in his opponents. It clearly and obviously affected some of his opponents, who underperformed because they were scared shitless of him. See Spinks and Seldon for the two most obvious examples.

Vitali's monstrous size and physique alone are intimidating, and will force other ATGs after their comfort zone. George Foreman, for example, thrived on being the bigger, stronger man. It's what his entire fighting mindset was based on. Well, Vitali towers over him, is heavier than him, and will let him know it. While it won't scare ATGs, it will be a new and intimidating experience for them to face a man of this size who can actually fight.

As for the rest, well. Take a man out of his comfort element, make him fight in a different environment than he's used to, against something he hasn't faced before, and don't be surprised if he is then less comfortable and confident than he usually is, and his performance suffers accordingly.

:hat

 

Yada-yada-yada.

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Watch that and tell me boxing has 'evolved'.

 

Name me some atg hws that were afraid of his oponent. I know one. Max Baer who said "fear is standing across the ring od Joe Louis knowing he wants to go hme early". But he´s the only one.

 

Yes, and lost the trilogy against the bigger man, winning only the fight that Bowe chose to spend most of his time on the inside, negating his height advantage and playing right into Holyfield's style.

Oh, and Holy lost 2-0 against Lewis as well, the only other good big man he ever faced.

So that's 1-5 against good big men, and in the victory the guy didn't use his height at all, but won in the two fights that he did employ it.

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I didn't say afraid of, I said intimidated by. Big, big difference. You think Foreman wasn't intimidated by Ali? Tyson wasn't intimidated by Holyfield? I think they were, and I think that affected their performances.

:hat

 

What are we arguing here? That a smaller ATG can't beat a taller ATG when he uses his height? FOTC. Explain that one.

 

Then you have nothing to talk about. You people refuse to accept reality.

PS: Not my first language and this german languages phonetic **** sucks. When are you people going to learn to write the same sound you speak?

 

With a completely straight face, I may rank him even higher than that. It is refreshing to see someone else recognize Vitali for what he is, an all-time great heavyweight champion. He is truly an ass-whooper if I have ever seen one. With his skilled size, how many heavyweights in the history of boxing could really deal with him? Not to mention his awkwardness is really an asset for him too.

 

Yeah I'm scratching my head too.

Apparently great tall men automatically beat great smaller men most of the time.:huh