Was Buster Douglas Really Stronger Than Evander Holyfield?

Holyfield's many children were conceived during drug testing? The kinky f#cker

 

You think he took time out for a silly thing like a drug test? Or a fight? The man was a machine!

 

Sorry man, you are usually Sharp, but you are not comprehending what I have been saying here.
You make several mistakes about what I claim.
It seems you are conflating me with at least one other, Contros...Please observe what

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am saying.

1) OK Tyson could have been several pounds under, although a bit unlikely-but I say that he may well have neede to lose a few lbs. to make 201.
I do not know that, but it is common to get under a certain weight to compete in the best division...
I am saying that like clothes worn, food in system, water weight...We do not know exactly the conditions nor precise constituents of his body composition.

2) It is anything BUT an "absolute fact" that Tyson put on 13 lbs. of muscle.
It is very likely it is

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muscle.
But you are not grasping that tons of things influence weight day to day, no way we can be that precise!

3) Also fat is just one of the things that influences weight-water & what you eat & if you have little waste inside or not & clothes are much more temporary & shifting dynamics.

4) But I never said he did gain fat-I said it is possible & common to put on some fat (especially when natural) when gaining muscle.
You should know that say IF he put on 3 lbs. of fat on an already lean frame, that would not amount to "rolls of fat".

5) I kepp sayin' I do NOT think Holyfield's weight gain then is a cause for suspicion!
Once again, with feeling---> refer to what I said about where he gained weight/where the androgen receptors are more plentiful.
The sudden onset baldness + "heart problems".


So I DO think they both gained mostly "real weight" & muscle.
Without a strict & accurate body composition test & knowing all conditions like dress they weighed in on, we do not know exactly what the weight was comprised of-but clearly I stipulate that it is mostly muscle for both!

And also even the mitigating factors I just described for Holyfield-including the health effects that

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came from juicing as typical symptoms...
Are not as definitive as the BALCO investigation that is a no-brainer clincher for most everyone.

Edit: being lighter when older just means he shed body fat-& is also not quite as muscular as when boxing.
The latter happens with most all athletes especially loooong after retired, natural or not.
The former? Losing body fat when older does not suggest whether he used gear then or now.

 

There is zero chance that Buster Douglas who most likely never stepped into a weight room for anything but play, is stronger than Evander Holyfield- Holyfield was trained by and had his dosages organised by a Mr O and was addicted to gym work.

 

You don’t think Tyson is strong? You literally only need to look at the man, He got shoved around a lot because he stood square… I could push him around if he didn’t murder me, with the right stance and knowledge.

 

Actually it was just said that Douglas could bench press 400 lbs.
Why do you think he never lifted?
Just because he was not as defined as Holyfield? The strongest men in the world have more body fat than Douglas.

Douglas was naturally somewhat bigger & stronger than Holyfield.

 

Wouldn't have mattered in his fight with Holyfield if he had have been stronger.
By the time of the fight, all ambition had probably left Buster, the fight was over before it started.

 

Long sigh, Tyson stood square he was in the least ideal position for grappling - he got pushed around, he didn’t know how to grapple in the ring. Evander did, he made a plan of it. In pure raw strength, great chance that he was stronger than Tyson but I doubt he was doing what he did because he could bench more, also Tyson was pretty strong nearly everyone he fought called him the strongest in the ring interviews. On Foreman- @cross_trainer once said something I liked, it was like a Sumo shoving around a power lifter, Evander most likely had more raw strength, George just knew how to apply his weight.

 

The strongest men also have a lot more muscle than Buster and train constantly to just lift. It has nothing to do with how he looks it has everything to do with how Evander looks, trained and used.

 

I am not sure what you are trying to say here.
Evander looking more defined has to do with your comparison to Douglas-again being lower body fat or more muscle definition does not necessarily mean stro nger.
My analogy to top poweror Olympic lifters applies; I was not claiming Douglas or any fighter is that strong.

About "training & using"-first although it is wrong to assume DOuglas did not lift, I'll stipulate that Evander must have lifted more.
'Used"? He definitely used after this fight, & MAY have used before-although he was just 208 lbs. it was all upper body.

But I am saying all Holyfield did was to lessen or minimize the difference in natural size & strength between him & Douglas.

 

Longer sigh… since it’s your opinion I couldn’t give a ****.

Foreman was the epitome of pure raw strength. A juggernaut in his prime who comes back as an old man and shoves around young roided heavyweights for fun. It’s laughable that in your endeavour to “expose” myths you invent a myth that someone like Evander has more strength than a powerhouse like George. Even Evander admits Foreman is unmatched in terms of pure physical strength of all the behemoths he met.

 

Pro tip my friend - don't trust his honesty on anything, particularly if it's related to his overwhelming Foreman/Liston/Ali agendas. He'll say anything as seen by his comments to you (in bold) below.

In pure raw strength, great chance that he was stronger than Tyson but I doubt he was doing what he did because he could bench more, also Tyson was pretty strong nearly everyone he fought called him the strongest in the ring interviews.

Take his comment to above - pure fantasy to put it nicely.

Here's the names that more than half a dozen Tyson opponents put forward in their Ring interviews as the strongest they faced. Doesn't leave many does it!!!! Not one mention of Tyson He will drag forward about two or three names trying to make some sort of defense for himself but "nearly everyone" is more than telling mate as i am sure you will agree.

Razor Ruddock - Bonecrusher Smith
Pinklon Thomas - Trevor Berbick
Bonecrusher Smith - Mike Weaver
Frank Bruno - Pierre Coetzer
Tyrell Biggs - Jeff Sims
Evander Holyfield - George Foreman
Lennox Lewis - Hasim Rahman

 

Old Foreman was literally a power lifter, I believe. He sure was built like one. Both he and Holyfield were skilled at grappling in a boxing context, the difference is that he was stronger and weighed more. It was more the case of a power lifter vs a bodybuilder.

 

Razor ruddock does mention Tyson I believe.

 

Stronger? In what sense stronger? If it is in this sense (if it is a fight that happened later):
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...holyfield-benched-365-lbs-for-10-reps.704121/
...I don't think it's stronger.