Was RJJ at 168lbs the most unbeatable fighter ever?

You have far too much time on your hands.

Benn bet £100K on himself in the second Steve fight which was equally as close as the first.

Benn quit in both fights, something he had previously done in his career in similar circumstances v Mike Watson. He turned away from shots against Watson and he turned away from shots against Steve. They were too big and strong for him and going nowhere, so he quit like the bully he was, like Tyson did biting Holy's ear.

 

What you have done is focused on one poster who is very knowledgeable, and taken one unsavoury insult to give yourself a moral high ground, and then ignored the rest of what they said because it didn't suit you.
They pointed out that they found you narcissistic, delusional and double standards and they weren't the only person to say.
I'm not including myself btw

 

I haven't read all of this yet but just looked at the bold writing at the bottom

Once again that is the narcissism coming out.
In effect what you are saying is, If you can't agree with me and everything I am saying without any debate or difference of opinion then in my mind you are a joke, all because you can't see your own double standards and others opinions. This is why people get bored of your long drivel posts because you can't debate just dictate, which is the wanting to be in control narcissism.
I will however have a read through the rest and reply later but thought I would point out to you that you have already said before any debate has happened that if someone doesn't agree completely with you, that you then don't value their opinion at all and can only see things one way. That can also be delusional

 

I remember the bet
I see what you are trying to say and agree that I think Benn had had enough against Collins but never thought of Benn as an on top bully who quit when struggling. Several times he fought back from tough situations and gave his all

 

There’s 2 main reasons:


1. He was basically penalised for being too good.

He made a lot of good fighters look like nobodies, which a lot of people found boring.

The public didn’t look forward to many of his fights, as the outcome seemed all too predictable.


2. He wasn’t media friendly, as he felt under appreciated.

 

Collins against Thornton in that defense on CBS looks incredible in terms of speed, movement, size and strength. He was very gifted and effective with his side-to-side foot movement, and sucked on ice cubes and spat out steak to make 160 ala Zale/Graziano/LaMotta.

He didn't even learn how to punch until he was 28/29!

The fact he achieved what he did upto and including '92 without knowing how to punch is incredible. He was a physical phenomena, with a jaw from outer Neptune somewhere (the best ever).

Floyd Patterson showed him something very simple to help his power, and that was pull with the opposite shoulder. Razor Ruddock in sparring said his power went from that of a lightweight to that of a heavyweight INSTANTLY.

Then old Freddie King noticed Steve was dragging his right foot every time he threw a cross. So took the lace from his right boot and tied it around his shins so that he kept his right foot bolted when hitting bag and pads. He won his final 15 fights, mostly by KO/TKO.

Had Collins met F Patterson and F King 5yrs previous and had he moved to light-heavy then and hired his friend F Roach back then, with max speed (youth) and max strength (weight class), I think we are talking unbeatable.

The guy was cut badly over BOTH eyes and nearly lost his ear in that Thornton battle, and turned Aggressor once the cuts opened bad before the final round and called Tony on! Smiling! I believe, he is the hardest man ever.

 

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I don’t know if you’ve seen them, but there’s been some of his old fights on Sky Sports Mix recently.

I watched the Dan Sherry fight a few nights ago.

I’d not seen it for years since I was a kid.

I couldn’t believe it.

Sherry’s acting was 10 x as bad as Dariusz M’s in the Roch fight.

It was both hilarious and ridiculous at the same time.

 

Sherry tried to steal it. He couldn't stand skill for skill.

 

Fair enough. I seemed to think it was a win that you had rated highly previously

Do I really have to go around in circles with you? Do you have memory loss?
I have said I dont rate the win as highly as you do.
I think its a good win. Have always said it was a good win, but have said that I think Froch was a bit faded at the end of the S6, that Froch had had a tough run and was on the road again, as well as saying he felt like an old man and wanted to get home for Christmas. I also seem to recall him having an elbow problem

What dont you understand? I said it was a good win but dont rate it as highly as you do.

Ward did have a damaged hand, many fighters go in with injurys. I believe Froch had an elbow injury.
Calzaghe fought many fights with damaged hands
Kessler had eye problems when he fought Ward and Froch.
Why do you keep fanatically bringing this one up?

You keep saying faded Benn. All because he lost a debatable SD?
Froch was in a disputed decision to a faded boiled down LHW, who I think had lost around the same amount of SMW fights as he had won, in his fight before Ward.
So do I apply your logic here?
think about what you are saying

What delusion? I just am asking you to apply your logic.
I havent said either way. It is you who is making the assessments here and arguing with yourself lol

Not sure how many times I have to keep saying to you. I think it was a good win, but not as good as you make it out to be.
Also when did I say great win and use capitals like you did?
Seems you are once again making strawman arguments
Ill let you dig up the posts

Based on what exactly?
One SD loss? Because in his 5 fights before had beaten Nardiello, McClellen, and Wharton in 3 of them.
So what exactly was it that makes you say he was faded?

Which bits. Are you telling the whole facts or bending things a bit? Lets see

Ok? Was that effecting his boxing? What was it effecting?
Why if it was so bad to mention, was he clear to box

So here is the bend. You make it sound like he was inactive. Yet fail to mention that he said it was said at the spur of the moment and had changed his mind something like 3 hours later.
Was that not worth mentioning in your facts? Particularly when you are apparently using facts and not opinions

This is not a fact though. He had changed his mind right after he said he was retiring so he was un-retired before the Collins fight was even made.
But here you go again posting your opinion. You dont know if Benn made a bet on himself just for motivation. That is your opinion. He could have made that bet because he felt so sure he would win and saw it as easy money. We dont know, so that is not a fact but you doing what I have picked you up for before, which is posting your opinions and calling them facts

And? Injurys happen. I could site many fights that stopped due to injury. Lets not forget that for Benn who was as faded as you like to claim, was very competitive and I seem to think the commentators had him winning the last round before the injury. It was a tear up and quite even at that time

Which means what? Many fighters have said similar when retiring

Consider this from Floyd after he beat De La Hoya

Similar theme


Yet you are basing this as something? I dont know what?

Benn said in his autobiography that he felt his pride was at stake and went in there intending to win.
That is in the autobiography

For the 3rd time and hopefully final time unless you are really stupid.

I have said I dont rate the win as highly as you do.
I think its a good win. Have always said it was a good win, but have said that I think Froch was a bit faded at the end of the S6, that Froch had had a tough run and was on the road again, as well as saying he felt like an old man and wanted to get home for Christmas. I also seem to recall him having an elbow problem


Now what was this injury Benn was carrying into his 2 bouts with Collins that you speak of and how do you come to the conclussion that Benn was so faded after a SD loss to a fighter who he had a tough close fight with years previously?
Froch was coming off a Mdec to a boiled down, old LHW, so why do you not apply the same logic?

 

You pointed out the last comment but had no idea what was written before it or the context of what was written.

Why didn’t you just reply to the post after you’d read it?

Bizarre.

 

You aren't countering anything he says.... Just long winded posts repeating yourself just to say how wrong you think he is.

 

You need some valium or something... you get waay too angry waay too quickly. Gonna have a heat attack....

 

Well, that's quite the angry rant at someone who isn't angry. But I digress. My bad.

Nope, never did. Was never my intention to join. I guess I could just pretend like 99% of the posters here. BTW, I'm best friends w/ many boxing writers and had an extensive amateur background until an injury forced me to only post on message boards.