I agree. Paul Harris ****ed that guy's leg up. It's a shame too because Palhares is such a phenomenal submission artist. I really would like to see him challenge Anderson Silva.
I disagree. I do believe Palhares ****ed that guy's leg up, and probably did so with malicious intent. However, I don't think he held the hold too long. Once the guy screamed, the damage was done. The referee could not break them fast enough to prevent the injury. The damage was done before the guy started tapping. Palhares released the hold withing milliseconds of the ref intervening.
the worst thing about him is that he knows it. i absolutely can not stand the mother****er. the sight of his face makes me sick
No argument there. Sims claimed in a later bout that Mike Pyle bit him. Sims probably deserved it :good
No, he didn't. If you think that then you either haven't watched the fight at all or have a bad memory of it. He held the ****ing lock for FIVE seconds after Thomasz tapped. Count em, 1.. 2.. 3.. 4.. 5.. Think that's not a long time? Then you've never grappled in your life because even a second, half-second even, with a strong grappler pulling on a lock is too long. The damn ref yanked on his arm TWICE before Rousimar let go. Watch it again, you've got a really bad recollection of what actually happened. This content is protected **** him. He is one of the biggest pieces of **** not only in MMA but grappling and I couldn't give two ****s if I ever see him fight again. Hope someone knocks him out and then punches him in the face 2-3 more times for good measure.
Ever since Gracie vs Shamrock I, many fighters have been taught to hold a submission until the ref gets there. That gif is in very slow motion, and it still only takes about 4 seconds for Palhares to start the lock and for the ref to get there. When you watch the fight in real speed, that all takes place in 2 seconds or less. Palhares ****ed that guys leg up on purpose, but the damage was done before the ref got there. It was done as soon as Drwal started screaming, which is just before he starts tapping. Palhares letting go when the guy first tapped, or 20 minutes, later would have made no difference.
Hold, not crank. Fighter taps and want to hold the lock until it's separated? Fine. Fighter taps and you want to continue yanking? **** you. You were dead wrong on, "He let go immediately." Dead wrong. He did not. The ref had to pull twice, at least. That gif is not in very slow motion. While not full speed (I haven't compared it with the fight video that I do have) the count is actually 5 seconds. 2 seconds is a joke and your even trying to justify it is that as well. You think the damage was done before the ref got there and no big deal... Tell you what... have someone put you in an armbar, they'll break your arm slightly and then they'll continue to crank on it rationalizing that, "Eh, damage is already done," because surely there are no varying degrees of damage done, it's just a constant. All shattered knees are the same by your logic, right? You've never grappled a day in your life and this is plainly obvious to anyone who has. Your rationalizations on this are, if I may be frank, pathetic.
The entire ****ing slow motion gif is 10 seconds long. That means that whole sequence went down in under 5 seconds, not just the submission. So yes, I'm sticking with my claim that the submission was only on for around 2 or 3 seconds. Do you really have an idea as to what type of submission that was? As far as the damage to his knee, those ligaments were torn when Palhares cranked them and Drwal screamed. It's not like Palhares was stretching them any further at this point. It's not like he had a joint on the verge of hyper extending and made sure it popped before he let it go.
I'm done with you on this topic. That's just sad. You were wrong. Own up to it or just continue living in your imaginary world where he did no wrong there. (I watched it again multiple times, it was less than 5 seconds. Around 3.5 seconds, but it's meaningless because even a second is too long.)
It looks like it takes around 3 seconds, in slow motion, between the scream and first tap to happen and Palhares releasing the hold. That is probably 1.5 seconds real time. How about this one? This content is protected 3 seconds go by after Nogueira taps, and Frank still hasn't let go by the end of the gif. Now I'm not getting hung up over the 3 seconds. That is obviously slower motion than the Palhares gif. But in reality, did Frank hold that any longer than Palhares did?
You're getting desperate and it's showing. This is quite pathetic, actually. Nogueira didn't tap until his arm was already broken and Frank didn't continue to crank on the shoulder lock, he merely held it. (See two posts of mine ago, perhaps you need to read it for the first time). There's a big **** difference between merely holding a submission (with respect to joint locks and such, minus chokes) and continuing to pull on one. Frank did let go when the Herb Dean stepped in, and did so immediately. Palhares continues to crank on the heel hook for more than 3 seconds after Thomasz CLEARLY tapped more than a dozen times on both his arm and leg and after the ref had to pull on his ****ing arm TWICE before he let the ****ing thing go. There's a big. ****. difference. Take a jiu jitsu class. Your argument has no merit whatsoever. You are dead wrong and I will not waste any more of my time with you on this matter.