Was Tim Tszyu ever that good?

Never said the cut having an effect was absurd. But there is no way anyone can say Tszyu would have won if he never got cut. That's my point. That's why I referenced the Papa Tszyu and Zab Judah fight. Again, there have been many fights that look one sided at the beginning, then the tables turn. I know you have witnessed those kinds of fights. So, stop with the BS narrative that it was a foregone conclusion Tszyu was going to win based on only the first 2 rounds.

 

Stop it with this cringe pedantic nonsense. It's the most likely outcome by far. Tszyu was lighting him up like a xmas tree and pretty much as soon as he gets cut with the elbow the momentum of the fight changed.

 

The only thing cringe are you zoo zoos always crying about some fantasy. If only that cut didn't happen, Timmy would have won. Sure, the most likely outcome was Tim would have won, but it wasn't a definite outcome like you keep yapping on about. The cut happened in the 2nd round. There was 10 rounds of fighting left. You realize how foolish it sounds saying Tszyu was going to win if not for the cut? Anything could happen in 10 rounds.

 

Especially seeing as though he only lost a split decision with one eye.

 

And the rematch with Fundora took a lot out of him as well. Quit on his stool. The emotional toll alone must be a lot. Also, I wouldn't call the elbow illegal. It was purely accidental. In others, Fundora did not intend to hit Tszyu with that.

 

"i wouldn't call the elbow illegal"

accidental or intentional it's still an illegal blow.

 

Yeah, you are right. I was looking at it from the perspective of intent, but regardless, an elbow to the dome is not a legal blow.

 

Yeah he was good maybe overrated by the Australians (but it's normal), he was a good B champion at his prime.

Tim Tszyu defeated Japan's Takashi Inoue in a rather convincing manner. You can't not beat that type of opponent without to be a solid world level, It was this Japanese warrior who had exposed for the first time Jaime Munguia.

He also fought in battles with Jeff Horn, Tony Harrison, Terrell Gausha, and Brian Mendoza. Especially after Tony Harrison, neither of them regained their previous level.

Because he's taking way too many hits, and especially after his two fights against Fundora, his chin is starting to crack. His defense has never been good, but in my opinion, he started some wars and too fast in his career.

But we will remember him for his fighting style, his power, his Boxing Qi, and his excellent combinations with his right hand and especially his vicious uppercut to the body in hand to hand.

 

It is when we analyze this kind of boxer like Tim Tszyu, very pressure and aggressive but not always with exceptional defense, who fought in wars but did not last at the world level, that we realize how much Seiya Tsutsumi, Nonito Donaire and Naoya Inoue are three exceptional boxers who deserve respect for also having defensive shortcomings but having an equally aggressive style while remaining at the top level.

 

I do not think Tim Tsyzu is done at the world level hes fighting at the hardest weight class and couldn't beat a 6'6 154er but came darn close the first time. Nothing wrong with Tim Tsyzu.

 

I agree with this. I don’t think he should have took the Fundora fight on short notice, he was training to fight Thurman, which is a very different fighter. Even though Tim did good, possibly could have won if it wasn’t for the cut, the lose ruined his momentum/confidence. The fights after that he was broken.

Tim have been in my gym preparing for a couple of fight and is a super cool/nice guy so I wish him the best.

I was at the first Fundora fight…

 

He also got totalky taken apart by B Murda.

 

I don't think Tsyzu has a good boxing IQ at all. Bakhram could've hit him with that left hook with his eyes closed. You could argue this is more defensive ineptitude rather than ring IQ, but I think the two go hand in hand. He tried to outslug a concussive puncher, and after he got caught, he had no ability to shell up and see out the round; he kept getting knocked down and walking headfirst into a firefight with a clearly much better boxer and much bigger puncher.

Against Fundora, especially in the second fight, he was completely devoid of ideas, and when the swing from the hip approach didn't work, he didn't have the footwork, defense, or boxing ability to execute a plan B to claw his way back into the fight. He did look fairly solid at one point, some solid wins over the likes of Mendoza, but very much a fringe world-level guy who has been brutally found out on more than one occasion by top 5 fighters at 154. Poor cornerwork in the Murtazaliev fight essentially ended his career at the elite level.

 

Denying that the elbow changed the outcome of the fight is just pure hate and idiocy.
It is one of the worst cuts I have ever seen in modern boxing and the MF still made it close.

 

His Harrison win was good and also the dude who knocked out Fundora. TBH he was a solid guy, he was also dominating Fundora in the first. But this was a Fundora that was gun shy since he had just been ko’d. It’s funny to see what confidence does. Tim was confident in that one and Fundora wasn’t and we saw who looked better. Than Tim lost confidence and Fundora gained it back and looked elite.