Were does Usyk rank P4P all time?

No, I said exactly what I meant. Asking if the Ring Magazine ratings are "better" than the organization's is something I wouldn't know, because it is not important. I don't know if AJ has a better three-point shot than Usyk, either. It isn't important.

 

So you're now saying "you don't know" if you disagree with post I made, that you originally said you disagreed with. You're getting yourself in quite a tangle here.

 

This performative nonsense, and the answer at the end of the day is still Fury has 8 victories against ranked opponents.

If you need to have the last word, go ahead and take it, but please ask me no further questions. Take your last word and stop badgering me. I have stated the objective truth of things according to boxing history, and have no further interest in speaking to you.

Thanks.

 

I've already told you that you're welcome to cease your contributions to our exchange at any time. If it's getting too much for you, you still are.

DP referenced a post I made stating that in general, ring magazine rankings have been a better reflection of the best and most deserving 10 contenders than those of any of the alphabet bodies.

You stated that you disagree with me.

After much probing, you eventually quoted DPs aforementioned post as the source of your disagreement with what I've posted.

You now state, and I quote verbatim - "Asking if the Ring Magazine ratings are better than the organization's is something I wouldn't know".

So, you have literally stated you don't know what your view is about the point you originally disagreed with me on!

I suggest in future that you refrain from disagreeing with people about subjects you neither hold an opinion on, nor, by your own admission, have any understanding of.

I don't blame you for wanting our exchange to cease, it's not going well for you.

 

I think it's strange to not have him top 5. He has it all and has done it all. He also has the legendary story with the Ukraine war. Undisputed in two weight classes, including the glamour division. Undefeated. Many years in the future I think he will be looked at more accurately, most likely as the GOAT. Being dominant against the best competition goes against you in a way, people downplay your opposition. I think that's why Ali splitting fights with his best opponents helped him. To get his just dues he would probably need Fury, Joshua or Dubois to have more success in the future.

 

Definitely. Those first two are tiny men, and Lewis was KTFO twice. Usyk is a tiny man and didn't miss a beat against those far bigger men. I don't know why we lose all objectivity when nostalgia comes into play.

 

Whereas I gratefully profess that you and CST80 were the the undisputed prophets of Usyk, who I bow down to in awe, and I was merely a latecomer, I will take credit for getting on the ship in time to enjoy the ride. And lest anyone forget, I openly declared that he would beat both Joshua and Fury:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/i-have-the-feeling-that-usyk-is-going-to-beat-joshua.668173/

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...hy-i-narrowly-think-usyk-beats-joshua.673026/

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...f-destiny-if-the-fury-fight-comes-off.676209/

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...xcuse-for-his-inevitable-loss-to-usyk.716568/

So suck it, haters.

 

Hes not even in the top 800 if we go by the academic definition. Even if we look at HW historically his feats mean very little compared to guys coming from as far down as Featherweight to become HW champion. Usyk is the standard bearer for "presentism" where whatever is going on today is the biggest bestest most important thing thats ever happened.

 

This is definitely a hot take.

 

Again, it's all a matter of choice, the shortlist may include fighters who can beat each other, I would say that Usyk is definitely in the Top 10, but that's just my opinion...

 

It's hard to rank Heavyweights in the pound for pound list

Usyk was a cruiserweight and has a weight discrepancy in his heavyweight fights but it's a weird thing to rank Heavyweights in this list when the whole point of the pound for pound list was to give recognition to the smaller fighters

Usyk is a top 10 Heavyweight of all time which is the most important thing IMO

Pound for pound at the end of the day is just a make believe talking point we all engage in for fun, but it's so subjective.

How do you compare Ali to Sugar Ray Leonard pound for pound?

Does that mean a head to head fight if they're the same weight?

Does that mean resume?

Does it mean skillset etc

Usyk is an ATG great

 

That's the thing. While Usyk has to overcome a weight difference vs Joshua, Dubious, and Fury I personally feel that many heavyweights in history who were even lower in weight than Usyk would have done the same ... All speculation of course but I think people take the weight thing too far when it comes to heavyweight.

It's not like the lower weight classes in that way

 

Only 7 names there not 8. We should be able to agree that Hammer, Wallin, and Schwarz were not quality opponents and don't enhance Furys resume regardless of what the a sanctioning bodies claimed.

Can you agree that beating Schwarz doesn't enhance Furys legacy in the slightest? Also that he was in reality not among the 10 best heavyweights in the world?