What All Time Greats do you think Wlad Klitschko would beat?

CT, Joe was staggered and dropped by the likes of Bugner & Bonavena. Good fighters, but Wald would destroy Joe B & Oscar B. Joe's style gave him a short shelf life. An old hand in boxing should know that. Frazier would have a slim chance vs Wlad. If Joe didn't get warmed up fast, you might see a Foreman-Frazier I repeat. By the standards many fans use to judge Wlad, Patterson & Joe Louis had china chins. And they took punches from mostly CW to small HWs - not Brewster, Sanders, or Peter era HWs :deal

I see you changed your avatar. I think the previous one was of an old time boxer. Can't place him - who was it?
Anyway your current avatar matches the content of your posts much better - at least on this thread ! :yep

 

His still:yep

 

You caught me. I'm actually Cross_Trainer's deranged, account-hacking nephew.

Pulling out the big guns already, I see.

In any event, Bonavena was at least as good as the fighters around today--a tough scrapper with a low center of gravity, good chin, awkward style and (heed this) an extremely good punch. Ali didn't seem to like his punches any better than Frazier did, and Ali's chin is quite proven. He caught Frazier when the latter was still rather inexperienced with a great punch, and Frazier got off the deck to win. Whereas Wlad faced a journeyman (rather thana top contender) in Purritty and was unable to stave off defeat.

Frazier didn't show any similar chin problems despite taking punches from Bonavena (second fight) and Quarry during his prime, and reportedly walked through Norton in sparring (take it as you will). Ali hammered on him to no avail as well, though many discount Ali's hitting power.

 

Wlads opponents are mostly big guy's with big punch...calculate average opponents weight and you see..

 

More weight = big punch?

I would disagree.

 

Not always but generally yes...otherwise there would not be different series

 

After a certain point (about 210 pounds) weight starts to become less of an issue from what I've seen.

 

Lennox lewis was no doubt better than foreman, big george had power but lennox had big power as well. Not only this lennox was a master boxer for a big man, something george was not, had a vast arsenal of punch's something gerorge did not, and before people say anything about his chin lennox had a good chin and george was also dropped a few times in hid career so how is he in anyway better.

 

Valuev whos around 330 doesnt punch as hard as Marciano who is 5'10 180, is that enough proof wieght doesnt really matter all that much.

 

Ok

Here we go again. Wlad was fighting too often - he was literally burnt out. Coming in at 225 was not a good sign. His body must have been trying to burn muscle tissue during the late rounds vs Ross. Agree on what you say about Ringo. But he'd need to be 20+ lbs bigger today to have the same effect and success. Forget Wlad for a minute, what would OB's chances be vs a Chagaev, Iggy, Peter, Valuev, a healthy Vitali :yikes or Brewster !

I've seen Ali himself, after his career was long over, admit that he was not a big puncher. That his wins were based on an accumulation of punches or cuts. In retirement, w/o the need to hype/sell fights, he was more honest than his fans.

 

It matters, but it matters less and less (relatively) as weight increases. Smaller people are generally more efficient P4P, and at a certain point extra size does not increase athleticism.

 

Really, 214lbs Byrd was just to small according his own words..Chris was real talent, of course without real punching power but still,he fight like a man against Ike..and lost

 

Rather Reaganesque...

If Ibragimov had the same body fat % as Ringo (while keeping his muscle mass constant) he'd be the same size. Brewster may be a little bigger, but again he carries more fat than Bonavena did. Chagaev would be about 210 with Bonavena-equivalent bodyfat. Not that these guys are out of shape (Chagaev trains like a madman), but they're not as big as their weights make them appear.

And who's to say Bonavena would have to be 20 pounds heavier to hit as hard relatively? How did you decide on this figure? :huh

I never said otherwise. But he hit hard enough that Frazier should have been hurt more than he was with all of the punches Ali hit him with.

 

Foremans problem against Lewis or Klitchkos (expesially,wlad =klitchkos) would be, he had master defence against hooks, but guy who can hit straights right's or jabbing well is big asset against him..look at old fight's..