What All Time Greats do you think Wlad Klitschko would beat?

:huh Why?
Oscar Bonavena nearly stopped Frazier in their first fight (dropping JF twice in one round), and Goerge F bounced Joe around the ring like he was a bum. And Wlad is what, an underdog vs 205 lb Joe? :nut

 

:good could'nt have said it better myself.

 

I know my posts looks as if I am a Wlad-hugger which i´m not. But I think that wlad would stand a good chance against a short sluggin´ guy like Frazier - even though Frazier is no ordinary short guy.

 

So an all-time great is incapable of losing to anyone that's not an all time great? Wonderful logic right there. I guess Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, etc are not ATG's since they all lost to opponents that are not ATG's

 

I'm a "duh jock"(not a math guy) but it seems since Klitschko is pretty much "the champ" of today's heavyweights he is competing against a much, much larger field of competitors than the "ATGs" had to compete against. Consider first that today's population is more numerous than it was during the depression, there are more men of a heavyweight stature around today, more athletes compete in the sport on a professional level since the Iron Curtain opened up. I have a hunch that some of the "bums" Klitschko has defeated would expose some of the "greats". I believe it is possible that the top fighters in today's era of heavyweights are greatly underrated and under appreciated.

Which alpha male wolf would be tougher the alpha male in a pack of 30 or the alpha male wolf in a pack of 120 and the pack of 120 consists of wolves who are larger and less disease prone than the pack of 30 wolves.

I guess one of the many geniuses that visit this board will try to explain it to me but as I said before, my aptitude is more towards bench presses and jumping rope than figurin' **** out.

 

I can't see Roland LaStarza or an even a prime version of Joe Louis going more than 4 rounds with WK.

 

Yes - and does a win over an ATG count when we are talking about Marciano/Louis or Berbick/Ali?

 

To clarify, on a given night, Wlad could beat any boxer, ATG or not.

(Remember , Sanders beat Wlad and Rahman beat Lewis etc.)

Upsets can happen, but if Wlad were to fight Louis, I believe Louis would win 8 or 9 times out of 10.

Same goes for the other guys mentioned (Marciano, Johnson and Dempsey).

 

BC, excellent post. I am a math guy, and believe me that post was too logical for the "HW no good now" parrots :yep I've never seen so much twisting of logic by fans (some of who are smart enough to know better) that don't like the current HW champs - beacuse it doesn't fit their image of what a HW champ should be or look like. :-(

 

Rocky Marciano
Ezzard Charles
Gene Tunney
Jersey Joe Walcott
Floyd Patterson

 

Maybe John Ruiz. But that depends if Ruiz shaves his beard the night of the fight or not.

 

Robinson, Duran, Armstrong, Greb, and possibly Leonard.

 

I also agree. Champs from the past were in the 212-220 range. Thats to small to compete with wlads size, footwork, and brutal jab. Its so hard to compare old to new, but IMO he could beat most if he is on his game

 

I didn´t know that Ruiz was an ATG.

 

Using that same logic, can we say that the greatest jousters are alive today because of the population of today is so much larger than in the middle ages???

I would like to see actually stats of the # of active boxers today vs the # of active boxers in whatever past time frame we are talking about. The number may be closer than you think.

And: Your wolf example is poor as well. And Darwin may disagree with you. Who would you rather fight? 30 infantrymen currently stationed in Afghanistan or 120 infrantryman guarding the Canadian border? (maybe a poor example, but you get my drift...)