What does Canelo have to do to win over his critics?

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  1. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Beat someone in their prime without crooked scorecards or getting caught with PEDs.

    Jacobs was a good win, but that was 4 years ago now.
     
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    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His First win over Golovkin when the Cards were stacked in His favour Big time will always tarnish His career....Blind Freddy could see he lost that fight Convincingly.!!!
     
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    I don't see that happening whatsoever at 168. Canelo has the best resume and skillset by far in that weight class so no matter who he beats, its just not going to be something that makes his detractors change their mind. Maybe if he beats Benevidez and particularly if he does so in surprising fashion....that might change some of his detractors, but that's a tall order at this point in his career given Canelo looks to be on the slide.
     
  4. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You said Canelo has to stop and drop Beterbiev in the same sentence as Benavidez...lmfao you a Gaymon fu.ckwad
     
  5. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Donate money to charity like Trump did.
     
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  6. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Canelo is the only boxer I've ever criticized regarding fraudulent score cards, cheating, etc. I try my best not to judge & call fake, but in Canelo's case it's so blatantly obvious, the like of which I've never seen in 50 yrs as a fan, that I can't stay quiet about it.

    To win over the critics, the only thing he could do imo is give up all future bargaining chips and accept the opponent's demands in all areas except money. That would include the opponent's favored catchweight, fight location, etc. if they wished.

    Maybe? I don't know. Maybe there's nothing he can do.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Everything? He got his ears boxed off by Bivol.
     
  8. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nothing Canelo can do. He's had multiple corrupt scorecards (Floyd, Lara, GGG), failed PED testing, been the benefactor of catchweights and rehydration clauses, and had most things go his way throughout his career. With all that being said Canelo is a hell of a fighter. I wouldnt quite classify him as an ATG as his PEAK is not very high but he wouldnt be an easy fight for any fighter in history...though he wouldn't beat many historical greats either.
     
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  9. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree with most of what you said. Canelo is a very good fighter, I enjoy watching him but have my reservations.

    The only thing I disagree with is that I think there are many ATGs that would handle him fairly easily. Heck, even Bivol made it look pretty easy and he's no ATG.
     
  10. Dangerwood84

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    Become a vegan.
     
  11. BCS8

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    He needs to share his PEDs with the other boxers. The guy has a tanker of clenbuterol in his yard and won't give a drop away. Miser.
     
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  12. fruitandnutcase

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    Don't be a bellend mate. I think Benavidez is overrated, especially by the bloke who writes those cringe anti-Canelo articles on BoxingNews24 or w/e it's called. But whether you like it or not Benavidez is being tipped to be a serious contender for Canelo and would probably serve as a good signature win for Cinnamon late in his career. It also helps Benavidez could gobble up Plant, who himself had a memorable win last year, and would be the first Mexican/ancestry fighter he's fought since 2017(?). Boxing hardcores also know Canelo hasn't cleared 168 until Benavidez is soundly beaten. It is what it is

    I think beating John Ryder has more merit than JermAll, so foh with this Al Haymon shite, but Benavidez WOULD be a signature win no matter how you slice the pie. Not up for debate
     
  13. ZablieJudahnoff

    ZablieJudahnoff Charleston White 2024 Full Member

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    Rewind time and not take and get popped for copious amounts of PE DRUGS!
     
  14. Manu Vatuvei

    Manu Vatuvei Active Member Full Member

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    Canelo is a good fighter. The problem is he is clearly not, nor has he ever been, the best fighter of any particular era, yet we are constantly told that he is. When the public are force-fed someone and told he is better than he objectively is, to the detriment of other fighters, it will always create negative sentiment for obvious reasons.

    The young Canelo at 154 was very good but clearly not as good as the smaller Floyd. He failed to definitively beat Lara. He also failed to fight most of the next tier of young guys around that weight at that time. He failed to distinguish himself as the man around that weight.

    The middleweight version of Canelo clearly lost once, and in most people’s eyes twice, to GGG. He was not the man at middleweight.

    Canelo at 168 has had a nice run. He may not have been good enough to beat GGG but he was good enough to beat B-level fighters with physical advantages like Smith, Plant and Saunders. However, he was clearly not good enough to beat the similarly sized Bivol. It is clear that there are superior fighters at 175 than 168 and that this does not come down to size alone (Smith is probably bigger than Bivol, for example).

    Basically, when Canelo was fighting small guys there was a much smaller guy (Floyd) who clearly had his number. When he fought the top middleweight he lost (GGG). When he fought a top guy who was bigger than him he lost (Bivol). He was able to clear out a weaker division (168) while proving that he wasn’t the best fighter in the stronger divisions above and below that. It is crystal clear proven fact that other boxers are better than him. It makes no sense for him to be promoted as boxing’s #1 attraction so the fact that he is will inevitably bother people.
     
  15. Manu Vatuvei

    Manu Vatuvei Active Member Full Member

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    FWIW Canelo ‘won me over’ in GGG1. I was surprised he was able to be competitive with GGG and at that point I accepted that he was a very good fighter.

    There’s just a big difference between winning me over to accepting ‘he’s good’, and winning me over to accept an obvious falsity like ‘he’s the best’.