Tua looked pretyy fast for a slow guy when i watched him take on King Kong last fight out. King was a decent opponent to test out his rehabilitated rotator cuff i think. But now is the time to step it up.Only then will all be revealed for what it is.
You ****, it's not up for debate. It's simple physics. Obviously Byrd must have lacked strength or technique and Foreman obviously had a lot of strength and knew how to deliver a punch. There is strength and there is speed, they make up power. You can compensate for the lack in one area by being great in the other. If you're fast and strong you'll punch hard, then if you lose any speed or if you lose any strength then your power will be lesser.
There is such a thing as low-velocity power (ie powerlifting); what you're talking about is explosive power, which does require speed as part of the equation. So...going back to what I said in my first post on this thread...Tua still has plenty of raw power, but it doesn't translate into explosive power because his speed beyond a few rounds is not much to speak of.
He always had power, but c'mon... the man could not legitimately stop Rahman, he wasn't even close to hurting Chris Byrd and struggled with 17-5 Jeff Wooden. Where he had brute power, he always lacked true execution. Overrated.
Powerlifting is not really 'powerlifting', that name would be appropriate for olympic lifting. It's one of those things that annoys people in strength and conditioning circles. Doing your heavy squats, deadlifts and benchpress builds strength which is part of the equation of power. Power is a total value, doing a jump squat generates far far more power than any heavy slow squat can. I don't follow Tua but if he has slowed down then it's a fact that he is less powerful, he might be every bit as strong as he was before but if he is slower his power is less. You and seemingly everyone else here can't seem to grasp that 'Strength' and 'power' are two completely different things. Power = Strength MULTIPLIED by velocity. You mean raw strength, not raw power.
His footwork has slowed and he cannot get in range as often enough to hit the sweet spot. As many have already said; Handspeed slowing is also a huge factor.
King has a granite chin, FWIW. Lost about 20 times, and the only guy to even hurt him was Shannon Briggs, and he still got up twice before getting KOed. But Tua is old and doesn't put punches the way he used to.
He's lost some snap and flexibility. Added to which he doesn't dip and put his legs into his punches as much as he used to. A similar thing happened with Tyson.
How is Tua overrated, he is very solid and probably one of the very few that will be remembered even though they didn't win any belt. :huh:-bloodatsch
Because people pick him to win fantasy fights, yet who has he beaten? In all his career, he's never lived up to the expectations, he's been outboxed by Hasim Rahman and he's just plain dirty. Overrated fighter.
His power has deteriorated because of injury and age. Here's the thing with Tua, when ever he faced someone with a jab his power would be rendered useless. And now that he's older i find it hard to believe he has anything left to offer to the heavyweight division. [yt]43fsW5-ycfc[/yt] [yt]6FNVvuSss6Q[/yt]
We are basically in agreement, except with the actual semantics. I'm differentiating between power and explosive power, whereas you're differentiating between strength and power respectively to describe the same things. I think even if it's not technically correct per muscle-jockey jargon, my usage of that terminology is in pretty common usage and people understand what is meant by it (the ultimate goal of communication, after all). If it's really that big a deal, I'll try to make a point to adopt your vocabulary for those concepts instead. :good For a lot of people, I think it's just habitual to refer to strength as power (and distinguish the end product of strength + velocity as explosive power). If we're all wrong in doing so, fair enough. I'll try and be mindful of it myself. Just be aware that most people - especially on ESB - are slow to break habits. :yep