What if Bowe had faced Lewis in his first defense

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  1. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I dotn really want to argue much more about this, but you failed to mention that Lewis was also getting his head handed to him by Bruno before landing the lucky haymaker. Lewis got the win, but came close to being stopped himself. I didnt mention Golota, because Bowe was pretty much shot as a fighter, and Lewis was entering the part of his career where he became a "real" fighter, on par with Riddick Bowes skills, under the guidance of Emanuel Steward.
    The Riddick Bowe that fought Holyfield in the first fight would have had a much tougher fight with the well schooled Emanuel Stewards Lennox Lewis.
     
  2. bigG

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    its a myth that lewis was 'getting his head handed to him' by bruno......he was, possibly, loseing a close fight...till big frank got careless.......im a huge fan of bruno, and, tbh dont much care for ll style of fighting...but credit where its due, he matured into an atg and will be remembered by history much higher than bowe....i hear what your saying, yes bowe when he was 'on' was up there with tyson and lewis etc...in the early ninties....but as history will show when you pick up a book 50 years from now, he will only be remembered by casual observers as a big lump who briefly held the title......sad, but true...i was, and still am, one of the biggest holyfield fans around.....and the night bowe beat holy for the title was one of the best hw fights ever...i do however take exception to those who say that bowe 'owned' or 'bossed' holyfield that night...he clearly won a pulsating match where both fighters showed grit, heart and sheer cojones...he made a fan out of me that night for sure...one 'intangible' that isnt mentioned much in this thread is one that woulda made a helluva difference in the propsed fight...as a hw bowe had a much much better chin than lewis, and at least equal power.....
     
  3. lefthook31

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    Bowe was a very good puncher. I recently watched the Lewis Bruno fight and was amazed how badly Bruno outjabbed Lewis. He certainly outclassed him that night from a boxing standpoint. Bruno just got stupid when he had Lewis hurt in the corner and allowed Lewis to land that lunging hook. The way Lewis finished Bruno, he really should have been DQ'd too, he was holding Brunos head with his left so he could land his right. Blatant fouling.
     
  4. Vanboxingfan

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    Lewis, Ali, and Holyfield all reguarly fouled blatantly. Lewis holding the head of a fighter while delivering uppercuts, best example Grant. Holyfield's numerous headbutts, a la Rahman, and Ali frequently grabbed a fighter behind the head and pulled it down, Frazier was often on the receiving end of this treatment.
     
  5. lefthook31

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    Oh I forgot to mention how Lewis pulled his opponents head down and put all his weight on the top of their backs to tire them out. Another cheating tactic from the great Lennox lewis.:hey
     
  6. barneyrub

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    Not something he ever employed to the level that Wlad did as shown here,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iecZ7Z1I0no
     
  7. lefthook31

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    Yes its no secret Emanuel Steward teaches them to do that, because neither one of them could ever fight inside worth a ****.
     
  8. Vanboxingfan

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    You could start a thread on Holyfield's "third fist" I think he's KO'd more fighters with his head than with his hands. :yep
     
  9. Drexl

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    Head handed to him??

    It was a majority draw at the time of the stoppage from memory.

    I actually had Bruno ahead, but Lennox was NOT getting his head handed to him. Bruno was doing better than expected, that's all. Don't let that cloud your judgement.
     
  10. lefthook31

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    Watch the fight and see for yourself. They gave Lewis a draw against Holyfield in the first fight, did you agree with that judging.:blood
     
  11. Shotgun

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    Frank Bruno is far above anyone that Bowe fought besides Holy and Golota, and is a bit better than Golota was
     
  12. lefthook31

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    Bruno was a robot. He was knocked out by every fighter he faced that could punch a little. He held for two rounds straight to survive against Mcall to win the title. Bowe would have stopped Bruno sagging against the ropes just like the other 5 guys did.
     
  13. Shotgun

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    None of that diminishes the fact that Bruno was better than anyone Bowe fought besides Holyfield. Doesn't say much for Bowe's resume does it
     
  14. Loufatski

    Loufatski Boxing Junkie banned

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    Bruno better than Golota?!? I'm leaving this thread...
     
  15. Shotgun

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    I said he was a bit better than Golota. If you look at the whole package, it's a pretty fair statement. Based on accomplishments he is better. He gave Lewis a lot tougher fight than Golota did, and I doubt he would've lost to Michael Grant or Lamon Brewster. He would've KO'd John Ruiz. Golota may have been more fluid and skilled but he was a mental case and also wasn't as big a puncher as Bruno. If Golota wasn't a total headcase he'd be better than Bruno but he was, although he did beat the **** out of Bowe twice which is what he'll be remembered for. It's the whole chain of events, Bowe was overrated for beating Holyfield, and Golota was overrated for beating up Bowe