just listen to the first minute of this wee video about how joe frazier talks about being knocked down several times by big george foreman , he goes on to say without being asked that if he could , he would do it all again. now joe didnt say this for hype...he means this remember the manilla documentary when he said he was willing to die in that 15th round if eddie futch would have let him go out...he mean that too. what a fighter joe frazier was...they don not make many like him any more heres the link thats been posted on here before http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/15616563.stm