What Makes Errol Spence Special?

Well I made the comparison between that and Jermell Charlo moving up two weightclasses to fight Canelo and not trying to win, instead just trying to survive. That seems to be a pretty apt analogy, or no?

As far as Spence "not trying" to KO Garcia, that's open to interpretation. Maybe he did let him survive, but Mikey is pretty difficult to stop. Spence had no reason to try to stop him given how defensively sound Mikey is and given the fact that he was clearly winning. If Spence pushed hard for the KO maybe he gives Mikey an opening to turn the fight around.

The size difference was significant but it was still an impressive performance by Spence none the less, that's the point. Spence did look "special" that night. Who knows how his career would have panned out if not for the devastating car crash. But he definitely was considered one of the top fighters in the sport for a considerable period of time.

 

I don't think anyone other than you thinks Spence looked special that night.

Spence was fighting against an opponent who moved up 2 weightclasses who he was a massive favourite over and who was dwarfed by Spence in size.

It was a dull fight in which Garcia didn't try and win and Spence played it safe against much smaller opponent.

Not even close to a special performance in my book based on all the context of the above.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/how-errol-...ey-garcia-in-the-sweet-science-070059815.html

“I think it was an issue,” Schaefer said of Spence’s reach. “I think it was more so an issue than the weight, but I think the reach [was a problem for Garcia]. We saw tonight how technically sound Errol Spence is as well. He has a beautiful style and can do everything. His punches, the combinations, the ring generalship, everything was amazing. This is important, in my opinion: He didn’t win that fight tonight because of his size or his power. He won this fight tonight because of his skills.”

This is a guy who had the look of a generational fighter when he turned pro after the 2012 Olympics, and he’s finally living up to that hype.

He has a ways to go and fights to still win, but there’s no denying that Saturday’s performance sets him well apart from the pack.

Spence made Garcia, one of the elite boxers in the world, look like just another guy.

Spence is special, and getting better quickly.

 

I never thought Spence was special. Special to me is generational. He wasn’t a generational talent but I do believe he was very good at one point. I think he stopped taking boxing seriously and he eventually paid the price. Drinking, ballooning up in between fights and being inactive will diminish any fighter. He didn’t take the sport seriously so now we have people questioning if he was ever that good. That’s the price he pays.

 

Yeah well guess what majority didn't think it was special.

His opinion was wrong the win aged poorly and Spence never came close to being special.

End of.

 

Whatever aura and buzz Spence had around him came to a crashing end on 27th July 2023 !

 

Talented? Yes. Special? Nope

 

What evidence do you have to state that the "majority" didn't think it was special? You're just saying stuff trying to validate your own opinion that Spence wasn't "Special". It was seen as a very impressive performance at the time. A domination of an undefeated top P4P guy.

At his peak, before the car crash, he was a great fighter and very difficult to beat due to his high pressure style, his rangy jab and his solid all around skillset and fundamentals. Great footwork, positioning and ring IQ as well.

Whether or not you consider him "special" is debatable, but the question of this topic is what makes him special. So I'm trying to explain what made him special. This video breaks down what made him so good :

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When you go back and look at the history of the welterweight division, Errol Spence was better than most and a fine champion.

Spence defeated four fellow welterweight titlists (Danny Garcia, Kell Brook, Shawn Porter and Yordenis Ugas). He beat a handful of lighter-weight titlists (Lamont Peterson, Mikey Garcia and Chris Algieri.)

Honestly, Spence beat better fighters than, say, Carlos Palomino, who is a respected champ and Hall of Famer, and Spence had a better career, too.

Spence just got involved in a high-speed car crash that would've killed a lot of people (and did kill former champs like Salvador Sanchez, etc.), and he's never been the same since.

But there's no reason to trash the guy.

Was he special? In the end, he was better than the majority of welterweight champs in history. Not among the absolute best. But far better than the vast majority.

Is that special enough?

 

Debatable. Watch that video to remind yourself of how good and dominant he was. Shame about the car wreck. But before that he was truly a special talent. He had such sublime footwork, movement, and instincts. Great combination puncher and had an excellent gas tank. He would seemingly never get tired, he really knew how to place body shots around the guard, he utilized "The Shift Technique" masterfully.

 

"Well if you think that then i don't see how you think Spence is elite then, there's nothing in his resume to suggest he's anything other than very good as of right now. There's no one on Spence's resume that Cotto wouldn't of beat other than Spence's upcoming fight of course, but most people seem to siding with Crawford in that one. Lets see how Spence fares against Crawford then we can have this discussion again."

Last edited: Jun 22, 2023
Dynamicpuncher, Jun 22, 2023

That's what i wrote prior to the Crawford fight note the date below.

So i never considered Spence great or special and i have the comments to back up that i said this prior to the Crawford fight.

I've always considered Spence as very good but nothing more than that and certainly not special that's for talents like RJJ, Whitaker, Pacquiao, Mayweather, they're special Spence was never on that level.

 

What stuff I've already seen? Look, if he was so special, he'd have had a better resume pre-crash.

 

You can't judge him for the Crawford fight. He was not the same fighter after the car wreck as he was before the car wreck. That's part of the problem here. Rather than try to convince me that he wasn't special, watch that video I posted above, and respond to the footage shown there and the points made in that video.

 

I don't have to convince anyone i have comments backing up what i said prior to the Crawford fight i never classed him as great or special which shows i haven't jumped on the bandwagon based on the Crawford fight.

You're calling Spence special which means you're rating his peak form on the same level as fighters like RJJ, Whitaker, Pacquiao, which means you're overrating him pure and simple.

Special is one of kind type talent regarding eye test Spence never had those type of qualities.

 

Crawford would have devoured every version of Spence, period lmao